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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    I have asked a simple question and all I get from you is a bunch of meaningless drivel and whining about Trump. So I will try again.

    How do we control/stop illegal immigration across our Southern border without building a fence/wall???????????????

    Now please try to answer the question.
    We can spend the money by putting more agents along the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    There has been a sizable increase in cross-border trafficking of drugs such as heroin, fentanyl, methamphetamine and cocaine in recent years.

    According to Customs and Border Protection data, these drugs are almost entirely trafficked at the land ports of entry and at the 47 official border crossings.

    Despite the increase in drug trafficking, reports have shown that shifting the priority to zero-tolerance immigration enforcement diverted resources from pursuing more serious crimes like drug and human trafficking.

    Focusing attention on drug trafficking at ports of entry would likely result in an increase in drug seizures, which would make America safer by keeping out some of the most dangerous substances affecting our population today.

    3. Investing in technology and personnel

    A wall’s function is to create a physical barrier to prevent people from crossing. However, a wall cannot perform the myriad functions necessary to apprehend crossers, screen migrants, detect illicit behavior, etc. Department of Homeland Security staffers, border patrol agents and increased technology however, can.

    Technology, including cameras, fixed towers and aerial and underground sensors, can help combat cartels that are using highly sophisticated technology to cross the border.

    Expanding agencies like the Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Counterterrorism and Criminal Exploitation Unit prevents terrorists and other criminals from exploiting the nation's immigration system through fraud.

    Investing in the Biometric Entry-Exit System at all ports of entry helps screen those who enter into the United States efficiently and effectively. The need for a 21st-century approach to border security is something both Republicans and Democrats have called for, aiming to find new solutions to emerging problems.


    Placing the appropriate technology in the right places and training and building the skill set of personnel in key agencies makes America safer.

    The shutdown over the border wall needs to end. Many people in charge of keeping America safe are currently working without pay.

    Transportation Security Administration agents are calling in sick, and the growing strain on those who work for the Border Patrol, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Secret Service could negatively impact the morale and quality of work of these vital agencies.

    Agreeing on a bipartisan deal to end the shutdown and paying the people who are in charge of our nation’s security makes America safer. Let us have a discussion in Congress about the border, with people who work and live at the border, to come up with bipartisan, contemporary, cost-effective solutions to improve our border security.

    Rachel Schmidtke is the program associate at the Wilson Center’s Mexico Institute, where she conducts research on the policies and trends of migration and U.S.-Mexico relations.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...outhern-border
    "...almost entirely..."

    So not all and we should just ignore those that don't enter through a port of entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    yeah that wall looks totally impenetrable, got it! lol
    You're free to drive down there and make the attempt to go through it, into Mexico, to prove your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
    Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
    Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
    Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
    While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.
    Non-citizen doesn't necessarily mean illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    have you always believed one fifth was "most"?.....
    NO, see; since it's not ALL, then liberals would rather do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    LOL no details, just a simplistic notion "control visas better"

    In order to jail employers, you'd have to show they hired illegal labor. How can we do that when you deny they are illegal? You guys are such dimwits
    Plus they would have to prove that they knew the employee was illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    We can spend the money by putting more agents along the border.
    You do realize that doing so would result in an ongoing expense; but once the wall is up, it's not like we're going to continually replace the entire thing.

    Or maybe you don't realize FACTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Non-citizen doesn't necessarily mean illegal.
    Non citizens , including illegal immigrants .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    You do realize that doing so would result in an ongoing expense; but once the wall is up, it's not like we're going to continually replace the entire thing.

    Or maybe you don't realize FACTS.
    How long would it take about 30K employees to earn five billion-plus in wages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    I have not heard anyone say that a wall is not necessary in some places. The point is any expert you talk to, says we already have walls/fences in all the places that are needed.

    A wall “from sea to shining sea” Is wasteful, stupid, and harmful to the environment.

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    A better system to track people who are overstaying their VISAs

    Heavy finds or prosecution for hiring illegal allies.

    Improvements in the work VISA program.

    Improved processing of asylum seekers

    These are just a few things that would work better than a wall along the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I have not heard anyone say that a wall is not necessary in some places. The point is any expert you talk to, says we already have walls/fences in all the places that are needed.

    A wall “from sea to shining sea” Is wasteful, stupid, and harmful to the environment.

    if trumpsters were serious about security that they would address the myriad other ways the illegals get into the country besides where a wall might stop them. this is just a game to them when all they talk about is a wall and they don't talk about security as a whole entire picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I have not heard anyone say that a wall is not necessary in some places. The point is any expert you talk to, says we already have walls/fences in all the places that are needed.

    A wall “from sea to shining sea” Is wasteful, stupid, and harmful to the environment.

    Why not build a wall around Trump so the adults can sit down and solve the problem??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    A better system to track people who are overstaying their VISAs

    Heavy finds or prosecution for hiring illegal allies.

    Improvements in the work VISA program.

    Improved processing of asylum seekers

    These are just a few things that would work better than a wall along the border.

    EXACTLY.. yes thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    How long would it take about 30K employees to earn five billion-plus in wages?
    Which has nothing to do with your previous comment or my reply; but it would probably take longer for them to earn the amount that is being spent on the illegals, that are in the US.

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