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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    What's that have to do with the wall argument? Idiot.
    Didn't you write this? Well, Trump claims he's a victim.

    Intersectionality Hierarchy of Victimhood:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Why don't you research the numbers of illegals over the past decade..and where drugs are entering the country. Let's start with a solid foundation.

    Trump's having another tantrum and I don't trust weak, lying tantrum throwing adults.
    I have asked a simple question and all I get from you is a bunch of meaningless drivel and whining about Trump. So I will try again.

    How do we control/stop illegal immigration across our Southern border without building a fence/wall???????????????


    Now please try to answer the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    I have asked a simple question and all I get from you is a bunch of meaningless drivel and whining about Trump. So I will try again.

    How do we control/stop illegal immigration across our Southern border without building a fence/wall???????????????


    Now please try to answer the question.
    Start with the data.. Start with the truth before you cave in to Trump's declaring this a crisis.

    Trump claims FEAR is power.... Aren't you tired of being manipulated by this cowards lies and tantrums?
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    The number of Mexican unauthorized immigrants declined since 2007, but the total from other nations changed little.

    Mexicans made up half of all unauthorized immigrants in 2016, according to the Center’s estimate, compared with 57% in 2007.

    Their numbers (and share of the total) have been declining in recent years: There were 5.4 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2016, down from 6.9 million in 2007.
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    Six states account for 58% of unauthorized immigrants: California, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. But individual states have experienced different trends.

    From 2007 to 2016, the unauthorized immigrant population decreased in a dozen states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York and Oregon. In three states, the unauthorized immigrant population rose over the same period: Louisiana, Maryland and Massachusetts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.

    about half of illegals (660,000) are visa overstays, get them out.
    reinstate the https://www.uscis.gov/CAM program that your moron in chief cancelled and expand it so all asylum seekers have to apply in their own country. when they are declined they are in their home country so no transport expenses are involved.
    Examine the border to determine if any more wall would actually help.
    Examine aid to the triangle to determine how it needs to be adjusted. https://www.usglc.org/faq-violence-m...ntral-america/
    Get serious about punishing employers that hire illegals.
    Develop a serious program to bring in temporary agriculture workers.
    understand that more illegals are leaving than are coming in and stop the trump induced rabid hysteria.
    Understand that a wall will not deter people desperate to escape poverty and drug cartels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    A 2,000 mile long, "beautiful" concrete Berlin Wall is the way simple-minded people think about border integrity.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...73#post2812673

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    about half of illegals (660,000) are visa overstays, get them out.
    reinstate the https://www.uscis.gov/CAM program that your moron in chief cancelled and expand it so all asylum seekers have to apply in their own country. when they are declined they are in their home country so no transport expenses are involved.
    Examine the border to determine if any more wall would actually help.
    Examine aid to the triangle to determine how it needs to be adjusted. https://www.usglc.org/faq-violence-m...ntral-america/
    Get serious about punishing employers that hire illegals.
    Develop a serious program to bring in temporary agriculture workers.
    understand that more illegals are leaving than are coming in and stop the trump induced rabid hysteria.
    Understand that a wall will not deter people desperate to escape poverty and drug cartels
    Man, you nailed it.. This should have its own thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.
    I can appreciate the request for the "no politics". Because politics is not going to ever produce an immigration policy that actually works for most Americans.

    The most qualified people to discuss what is really needed are the Border Patrol agents out on the front line that are already dealing with the problem in their daily work. They know what would make their job easier.

    And then you have ICE, who has their own unique problems of tracking down people who have out-stayed their VISA's. Fences or walls have nothing to do with their problem. And that happens to be the largest problem in just number of targets alone.

    There is already a fence or wall that stretches over 750 miles of border that covers all the portals and for miles across all of the populous areas on the border.

    And that is needed and is serving it's purpose well. But where it's not fenced, are vast desert areas where the terrain is hard to fence, or where the land is privately owned and the ranchers do not want a structure that prevents the grazing of their herds, or there are steep canyon walls or dry creek beds or rock escarpments that are hard to fence. You have everything out there.

    If you ask the Border Patrol agents, they say these areas should be fenced- if not for humanitarian reasons only, because crossing those areas on foot is a suicide mission, and there is no natural water available in the desert, and everything out there will either sting you, stick you, or bite you! Along with extreme cold and hot temperatures that will also kill you. The Border Patrol is tired of finding these people dead in the desert who try it.

    But if all of these thoughts are not part of the discussion, and people think that a simple fence or wall is going to resolve all of this, then this discussion is over.

    And after 20 billion dollars spent on a wall, we will realize we just wasted a lot of money, and it didn't resolve any of the real problems.

    I think the project to finish the barrier should be put on hold until some experts can study it further, and get a dollar figure established so that it can then be appropriated appropriately by Congress- and not some dollar figure or need for it Donald Trump pulled out his ass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Man, you nailed it.. This should have its own thread.

    the problem is most of them can't handle more than one idea at a time so my comments will just be lost on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Start with the data.. Start with the truth before you cave in to Trump's declaring this a crisis.

    Trump claims FEAR is power.... Aren't you tired of being manipulated by this cowards lies and tantrums?
    Seems you are fearful of the truth so you hide behind BS and offer nothing.

    Seems Trump is right as so far not one of you anti-wall fools has even tried to propose a alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Seems you are fearful of the truth so you hide behind BS and offer nothing.

    Seems Trump is right as so far not one of you anti-wall fools has even tried to propose a alternative.

    I was correct when I said you could only handle one idea at a time. I did propose an alternative but you're too drunk or drug addled to follow it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Seems you are fearful of the truth so you hide behind BS and offer nothing.

    Seems Trump is right as so far not one of you anti-wall fools has even tried to propose a alternative.
    Get back to basics.. Get the facts BEFORE you dictate a solution.


    about half of illegals (660,000) are visa overstays, get them out.

    reinstate the https://www.uscis.gov/CAM program that your moron in chief cancelled and expand it so all asylum seekers have to apply in their own country. when they are declined they are in their home country so no transport expenses are involved.

    Examine the border to determine if any more wall would actually help.

    Examine aid to the triangle to determine how it needs to be adjusted. https://www.usglc.org/faq-violence-m...ntral-america/

    Get serious about punishing employers that hire illegals.

    Develop a serious program to bring in temporary agriculture workers.

    understand that more illegals are leaving than are coming in and stop the trump induced rabid hysteria.

    Understand that a wall will not deter people desperate to escape poverty and drug cartels
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    about half of illegals (660,000) are visa overstays, get them out.
    reinstate the https://www.uscis.gov/CAM program that your moron in chief cancelled and expand it so all asylum seekers have to apply in their own country. when they are declined they are in their home country so no transport expenses are involved.
    Examine the border to determine if any more wall would actually help.
    Examine aid to the triangle to determine how it needs to be adjusted. https://www.usglc.org/faq-violence-m...ntral-america/
    Get serious about punishing employers that hire illegals.
    Develop a serious program to bring in temporary agriculture workers.
    understand that more illegals are leaving than are coming in and stop the trump induced rabid hysteria.
    Understand that a wall will not deter people desperate to escape poverty and drug cartels
    about half of illegals (660,000) are visa overstays, get them out.
    Good point I agree

    Examine the border to determine if any more wall would actually help.
    Makes sense.

    Get serious about punishing employers that hire illegals.
    Yes enforce the laws against hiring illegals.

    Develop a serious program to bring in temporary agriculture workers.
    I agree



    Good valid points to start with Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Trump has lied and lied about the problem.. Try dealing with facts BEFORE you pursue a solution.

    The DEA, FEMA, the Border Patrol and US Customs and Immigration have ALL disputed Trump's lies.
    This is not a workable plan as the opening post requests.
    It is hereby ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED that in
    consideration of their affirmative assumption of responsibility
    contained in part III herein, the complaint against Fred C.
    Trump and Donald J. Trump is dismissed against them in their
    personal capacity, with prejudice, as to all allegations
    contained therein, and predating this Order.

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