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    Default Controlling illegal immigration without using a fence/wall

    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    We keep hearing the left screaming we don't need a wall. Ok I accept that. Now please come up with a workable plan that would virtually stop illegal immigration without some type of barrier.


    No politics just an honest question. Please convince me.

    With the shutdown in effect, the borders remain guarded and ships, planes, and trains—as well as merchandise—will still be allowed to enter and leave the U.S. under a contingency plan set by the Department of Homeland Security. Nearly 88% of its workers will be required to report to work, but will not receive a paycheck for the duration of the funding lapse.

    About 53,000 TSA employees, 54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and officers, and 42,000 Coast Guard members and staff must work without pay, according to research from the Senate Appropriation Committee’s vice chair, Democrat Patrick Leahy. Essential employees also include anyone involved in counter-terrorism efforts, intelligence gathering, or providing telecommunications support for DHS workers.

    The 88% of all DHS employees who must remain on the job are part of about 420,000 federal workers also forced to perform their duties at agencies for whom no budget or stopgap measure has been approved.

    Some may receive payment if funds remain in certain accounts or their positions or work are funded by agencies unaffected by the partial shutdown. The other 12% of DHS workers, and 380,000 employees across government, will be furloughed—and also not paid for the duration.

    http://fortune.com/2018/12/22/govern...npaid-workers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    With the shutdown in effect, the borders remain guarded and ships, planes, and trains—as well as merchandise—will still be allowed to enter and leave the U.S. under a contingency plan set by the Department of Homeland Security. Nearly 88% of its workers will be required to report to work, but will not receive a paycheck for the duration of the funding lapse.

    About 53,000 TSA employees, 54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and officers, and 42,000 Coast Guard members and staff must work without pay, according to research from the Senate Appropriation Committee’s vice chair, Democrat Patrick Leahy. Essential employees also include anyone involved in counter-terrorism efforts, intelligence gathering, or providing telecommunications support for DHS workers.

    The 88% of all DHS employees who must remain on the job are part of about 420,000 federal workers also forced to perform their duties at agencies for whom no budget or stopgap measure has been approved.

    Some may receive payment if funds remain in certain accounts or their positions or work are funded by agencies unaffected by the partial shutdown. The other 12% of DHS workers, and 380,000 employees across government, will be furloughed—and also not paid for the duration.

    http://fortune.com/2018/12/22/govern...npaid-workers/
    All that post does is prove you can cut/paste. What it also proves is you can't answer a direct question.

    The article mentions that they aren't getting paid. Why haven't the taxes that fund their salaries stopped being collected if that money isn't being used to pay salaries?

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    They won't even admit it's a problem let alone offer a solution.
    Quick, send those on-site researchers some computer models

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    They won't even admit it's a problem let alone offer a solution.
    Trump has lied and lied about the problem.. Try dealing with facts BEFORE you pursue a solution.

    The DEA, FEMA, the Border Patrol and US Customs and Immigration have ALL disputed Trump's lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    With the shutdown in effect, the borders remain guarded and ships, planes, and trains—as well as merchandise—will still be allowed to enter and leave the U.S. under a contingency plan set by the Department of Homeland Security. Nearly 88% of its workers will be required to report to work, but will not receive a paycheck for the duration of the funding lapse.

    About 53,000 TSA employees, 54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and officers, and 42,000 Coast Guard members and staff must work without pay, according to research from the Senate Appropriation Committee’s vice chair, Democrat Patrick Leahy. Essential employees also include anyone involved in counter-terrorism efforts, intelligence gathering, or providing telecommunications support for DHS workers.

    The 88% of all DHS employees who must remain on the job are part of about 420,000 federal workers also forced to perform their duties at agencies for whom no budget or stopgap measure has been approved.

    Some may receive payment if funds remain in certain accounts or their positions or work are funded by agencies unaffected by the partial shutdown. The other 12% of DHS workers, and 380,000 employees across government, will be furloughed—and also not paid for the duration.

    http://fortune.com/2018/12/22/govern...npaid-workers/
    and your argument is that this will stop illegal immigration?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Trump has lied and lied about the problem.. Try dealing with facts BEFORE you pursue a solution.

    The DEA, FEMA, the Border Patrol and US Customs and Immigration have ALL disputed Trump's lies.
    or is it your position there simply is no illegal immigration?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    or is it your position there simply is no illegal immigration?.......
    You sure invent wild lies of your own.. More weakness on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    With the shutdown in effect, the borders remain guarded and ships, planes, and trains—as well as merchandise—will still be allowed to enter and leave the U.S. under a contingency plan set by the Department of Homeland Security. Nearly 88% of its workers will be required to report to work, but will not receive a paycheck for the duration of the funding lapse.

    About 53,000 TSA employees, 54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and officers, and 42,000 Coast Guard members and staff must work without pay, according to research from the Senate Appropriation Committee’s vice chair, Democrat Patrick Leahy. Essential employees also include anyone involved in counter-terrorism efforts, intelligence gathering, or providing telecommunications support for DHS workers.

    The 88% of all DHS employees who must remain on the job are part of about 420,000 federal workers also forced to perform their duties at agencies for whom no budget or stopgap measure has been approved.

    Some may receive payment if funds remain in certain accounts or their positions or work are funded by agencies unaffected by the partial shutdown. The other 12% of DHS workers, and 380,000 employees across government, will be furloughed—and also not paid for the duration.

    http://fortune.com/2018/12/22/govern...npaid-workers/
    All true but that wasn't the question.

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    we've been trying no wall techniques for 40 years...
    Intersectionality Hierarchy of Victimhood:

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    landmines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    All true but that wasn't the question.

    Why don't you research the numbers of illegals over the past decade..and where drugs are entering the country. Let's start with a solid foundation.

    Trump's having another tantrum and I don't trust weak, lying tantrum throwing adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    we've been trying no wall techniques for 40 years...
    Trump considers himself a victim and has whined about how the system is rigged against his since the early 1980s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    You sure invent wild lies of your own.. More weakness on your part.
    well which is it......is there illegal immigration or is there no illegal immigration?.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Trump considers himself a victim and has whined about how the system is rigged against his since the early 1980s.
    What's that have to do with the wall argument? Idiot.
    Intersectionality Hierarchy of Victimhood:

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