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    Default What if Obstruction was Collusion

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    A lot of the criticism seems to be driven by the notion that the FBI’s investigation was, and is, an effort to undermine or discredit President Trump. That assumption is wrong. The FBI’s investigation must be viewed in the context of the bureau’s decades-long effort to detect, disrupt and defeat the intelligence activities of the governments of the Soviet Union and later the Russian Federation that are contrary to the fundamental and long-term interests of the United States. The FBI’s counterintelligence investigation regarding the 2016 campaign fundamentally was not about Donald Trump but was about Russia. Full stop. It was always about Russia. It was about what Russia was, and is, doing and planning.
    "An elective despotism was not the government we fought for, but one which should not only be founded on true free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among general bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others." Thomas Jefferson

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    I would be surprised actually if the dim witted Donald Trump was an actual agent, an asset of Russian state security services.

    Trump is literally too stupid to be some kind of undercover mole, or to coordinate with FSB in some kind of byzantine and explicit clandestine operation.

    Russian state security also undoubtedly knows Trump is too freaking stupid to be trusted to be an official clandestine agent of FSB - he could not be trusted to totally blow his cover and give up the game.

    I have always maintained that Trump is a useful idiot to the Kremlin.

    Trump is obviously pro-Kremlin at some level. No American president, other than Trump, would ever say the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was justified.

    It has always been about the Kremlin, to me. Russia and the former Soviet Union have spent the better part of seven decades trying to discredit western liberal democracy, weaken and undermine America's alliances, and to isolate and dilute American leadership and power.

    Trump was the perfect dupe consistent with implementing the Kremlin's goals. The fact that he lost the popular vote by millions was just a bonus to FSB. What better way to discredit American democracy than to have an utter fool be installed in the oval office while being rejected by most voters.

    Undoubtedly Trump actively sought Russian help in winning an American election. But that was for personal gain. I would be surprised if Trump was actively collaborating with FSB in some elaborate and byzantine counter intelligence scheme

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I would be surprised actually if the dim witted Donald Trump was an actual agent, an asset of Russian state security services.

    Trump is literally too stupid to be some kind of undercover mole, or to coordinate with FSB in some kind of byzantine and explicit clandestine operation.

    Russian state security also undoubtedly knows Trump is too freaking stupid to be trusted to be an official clandestine agent of FSB - he could not be trusted to totally blow his cover and give up the game.

    I have always maintained that Trump is a useful idiot to the Kremlin.

    Trump is obviously pro-Kremlin at some level. No American president, other than Trump, would ever say the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was justified.

    It has always been about the Kremlin, to me. Russia and the former Soviet Union have spent the better part of seven decades trying to discredit western liberal democracy, weaken and undermine America's alliances, and to isolate and dilute American leadership and power.

    Trump was the perfect dupe consistent with implementing the Kremlin's goals. The fact that he lost the popular vote by millions was just a bonus to FSB. What better way to discredit American democracy than to have an utter fool be installed in the oval office while being rejected by most voters.

    Undoubtedly Trump actively sought Russian help in winning an American election. But that was for personal gain. I would be surprised if Trump was actively collaborating with FSB in some elaborate and byzantine counter intelligence scheme
    Trump is PRO TRUMP...and if he could increase his wealth by selling out the United States...my bet would be that he would do it in a heartbeat.

    Trump is PRO TRUMP! if being pro-Kremlin were useful to him in obtaining wealth...NOTHING ELSE would be considered.

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    what if, just like there was no collusion, there was no obstruction........oh wait, that's why you're all busy looking for money laundering.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    what if, just like there was no collusion, there was no obstruction........oh wait, that's why you're all busy looking for money laundering.......
    It's quite clear that Mueller is looking at obstruction and money laundering in relation to Russian meddling. If you think there wasn't any, hold on to that hope as long as you can ...

    But I agree with Cypress that Trump was and is a useful idiot rather than a knowing collaborator. If I were running an operation to subvert US democracy - as the Kremlin did - I sure as hell wouldn't confide in Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I would be surprised actually if the dim witted Donald Trump was an actual agent, an asset of Russian state security services.

    Trump is literally too stupid to be some kind of undercover mole, or to coordinate with FSB in some kind of byzantine and explicit clandestine operation.

    Russian state security also undoubtedly knows Trump is too freaking stupid to be trusted to be an official clandestine agent of FSB - he could not be trusted to totally blow his cover and give up the game.

    I have always maintained that Trump is a useful idiot to the Kremlin.

    Trump is obviously pro-Kremlin at some level. No American president, other than Trump, would ever say the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was justified.

    It has always been about the Kremlin, to me. Russia and the former Soviet Union have spent the better part of seven decades trying to discredit western liberal democracy, weaken and undermine America's alliances, and to isolate and dilute American leadership and power.

    Trump was the perfect dupe consistent with implementing the Kremlin's goals. The fact that he lost the popular vote by millions was just a bonus to FSB. What better way to discredit American democracy than to have an utter fool be installed in the oval office while being rejected by most voters.

    Undoubtedly Trump actively sought Russian help in winning an American election. But that was for personal gain. I would be surprised if Trump was actively collaborating with FSB in some elaborate and byzantine counter intelligence scheme
    He has no filter, no one knows what he tells any world leader when he meets with them or has telephone conversations. I’m happy he doesn’t get in depth intelligence reports. I do believe he’s a useful idiot, flattered into being a pawn and looking for personal gain.
    "An elective despotism was not the government we fought for, but one which should not only be founded on true free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among general bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others." Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    what if, just like there was no collusion, there was no obstruction........oh wait, that's why you're all busy looking for money laundering.......
    It's fun to watch you cringe in fear of the doom that is hovering over Donnie Twump's noggin.

    It's also delicious to contemplate the pain it will cause you and your brethren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    He has no filter, no one knows what he tells any world leader when he meets with them or has telephone conversations. I’m happy he doesn’t get in depth intelligence reports. I do believe he’s a useful idiot, flattered into being a pawn and looking for personal gain.
    Nicely stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    It's fun to watch you cringe in fear of the doom that is hovering over Donnie Twump's noggin.

    It's also delicious to contemplate the pain it will cause you and your brethren.
    It’s obvious he didn’t read the article, as well.
    "An elective despotism was not the government we fought for, but one which should not only be founded on true free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among general bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others." Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    what if, just like there was no collusion, there was no obstruction........oh wait, that's why you're all busy looking for money laundering.......
    What do you base that on? Making shit up again.
    Trump with his sociopathic personality and enormous ego, coupled with his lack of knowledge about how the government works, made him an ideal candidate for Russia to get control of. Money works on him so well.

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    This is all Russian Psyops to appear more powerful and fearful than they really are. Since Trump, this. If I had been Clinton it would be Uranium One and who knows what else with their foundation. They weren't in the bag for anyone. They had this set up either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    This is all Russian Psyops to appear more powerful and fearful than they really are. Since Trump, this. If I had been Clinton it would be Uranium One and who knows what else with their foundation. They weren't in the bag for anyone. They had this set up either way.
    Uranium one is fake. That has been cleared up. However, it was Bannon who said Trumps biggest problem is money laundering. Now Trump's people colluding with Russians is known. His insiders are providing damning testimony. You can call it conspiring with Russians and Ukranians if it helps you sleep better, but Trump and his people are in serious hurt.

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