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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    That's right. Schumer shut it down. He is pretty daffy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    I'll give everyone the same choice Chuck and Nancy were given.

    Poll: Fund the "Wall" ... OR ... Shut Down the Government?
    I'd say fund improved border fencing in exchange for DACA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    It is? Where is that written?
    English isn't "officially" the language of America, but it's common sense that to live in America, you should speak English.
    So while it doesn't actually say in the Constitution that the president must make deals, it's common sense that it's the job. We don't have a dictatorship, we have a congress with checks and balances. If the president is to get anything done, they have to be able to make a deal.
    The reason Trump isn't getting his wall is because he doesn't have the ability to make deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Lol, this is pretty funny. Reference to a Trump tantrum, but a quote of a pelosi tantrum.
    Doesn't change the fact that Trump threw a tantrum because he didn't get his way. This is why he failed as a businessman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that Trump threw a tantrum because he didn't get his way. This is why he failed as a businessman.
    Tantrums are a sign of weakness.
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    The wall would stretch across a vast expanse of desert between ports of entry. Yet, most security threats are at ports of entry rather than between. About one-fifth of the number of gang members apprehended were at ports of entry (a significantly larger number than the six members who were apprehended between).

    The same goes for suspected terrorists. The State Department estimated that exactly zero terrorists entered the United States from the U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, counties along the southern border are among the safest in the United States.

    The Department of Homeland security stated, “Most of these individuals are trying to enter the U.S. by air,” meaning the wall would be largely ineffective in preventing a terrorist threat.

    In order to apprehend those who pose the greatest threat to our nation’s safety, it is important to focus our resources, technology and attention in the areas where dangerous people attempt to enter the United States.

    Furthermore, there has been a sizable increase in cross-border trafficking of drugs such as heroin, fentanyl, methamphetamine and cocaine in recent years. According to Customs and Border Protection data, these drugs are almost entirely trafficked at the land ports of entry and at the 47 official border crossings.

    Despite the increase in drug trafficking, reports have shown that shifting the priority to zero-tolerance immigration enforcement diverted resources from pursuing more serious crimes like drug and human trafficking.

    Focusing attention on drug trafficking at ports of entry would likely result in an increase in drug seizures, which would make America safer by keeping out some of the most dangerous substances affecting our population today.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...outhern-border
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that Trump threw a tantrum because he didn't get his way. This is why he failed as a businessman.
    Lol, we are talking about a standoff. It takes two for a standoff.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...lish/stand-off

    Standoff:

    1. noun
    A stand-off is a situation in which neither of two opposing groups or forces will make a move until the other one does something, so nothing can happen until one of them gives way.

    We will see all kinds of political activity from both sides of the aisle, but the blame and/or credit will always be 50/50 as long as Trump and Pelosi are in a standoff. Personally, I hope the standoff goes on forever, and I don't care who has temper tantrums. Just keep the government shut down as long as possible. I am destined to be let down either way, once somebody gives in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Lol, we are talking about a standoff. It takes two for a standoff.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...lish/stand-off

    Standoff:

    1. noun
    A stand-off is a situation in which neither of two opposing groups or forces will make a move until the other one does something, so nothing can happen until one of them gives way.

    We will see all kinds of political activity from both sides of the aisle, but the blame and/or credit will always be 50/50 as long as Trump and Pelosi are in a standoff. Personally, I hope the standoff goes on forever, and I don't care who has temper tantrums. Just keep the government shut down as long as possible. I am destined to be let down either way, once somebody gives in.
    Yes, but trying to defend Trump by saying "but they're doing it too" is whataboutism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    I'll give everyone the same choice Chuck and Nancy were given.

    Poll: Fund the "Wall" ... OR ... Shut Down the Government?
    How about fund the government, with no wall.

    I’ll give you the choice Nancy Pelosi gave trump. Give up on your wall, or shut down the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Yes, but trying to defend Trump by saying "but they're doing it too" is whataboutism.
    Right now, I am very happy with Trump AND Pelosi, since this stand off is causing the long government shutdown that I have wet dreams about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Right now, I am very happy with Trump AND Pelosi, since this stand off is causing the long government shutdown that I have wet dreams about.
    I, too, would be cumming myself in delight if the federal government was shut down for real. But this is a partial shutdown that just screws us over. We're still paying federal taxes, but we might not be getting our tax returns this year.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/23/67965...uld-impact-you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    I'll give everyone the same choice Chuck and Nancy were given.

    Poll: Fund the "Wall" ... OR ... Shut Down the Government?
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    I say its Nancy and Chuck that have shut down our government...they will not negotiate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Right now, I am very happy with Trump AND Pelosi, since this stand off is causing the long government shutdown that I have wet dreams about.
    Well, yeah.. Trump likes hurting Americans too. makes him feel powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Well, yeah.. Trump likes hurting Americans too. makes him feel powerful.
    Lol, we are talking about a standoff. It takes two for a standoff.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...lish/stand-off

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    1. noun
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    We will see all kinds of political activity from both sides of the aisle, but the blame and/or credit will always be 50/50 as long as Trump and Pelosi are in a standoff. Personally, I hope the standoff goes on forever, and I don't care who has temper tantrums. Just keep the government shut down as long as possible. I am destined to be let down either way, once somebody gives in.
    The Truth Does Not Need To Be Supported With Censorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    OK. This might be a stupid question, but ...
    Can't Trump call a National Emergency to build the Wall WITHOUT shutting down the Government?

    At this point, Trump looks like he's taken 800,000 hostages and has a gun pointed to their heads.
    Cartel Chucky and Coyote Pelosi are holding 350 million hostages.

    DJT is using the potential reality of declaring a NE, as a management tool to get Congress to do their fucking job.

    In case you haven't noticed, it's been one of the major themes of his presidency.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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