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    An interesting interview and you can see why many people at one time respected him, and then he changed and the rest is history.

    I wouldn't. I write about eras in U.S. history, and in a couple of instances, the iconic individuals I've chosen are people who precipitated criminal activity or tragic events. I'm not looking for those people; I'm writing about people who embody some aspect of American society of a particular era. And I write about the good and the bad of those eras. Jim Jones, for example, was a demagogue, but I was shocked to learn about the great things he accomplished. If he had died at the end of his tenure in Indianapolis, we'd remember him as one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement.

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    Thatís why Iím so screwed up, because I had a father who pushed me so hard,Ē Trump acknowledged in 2007, in a brief and rare moment of self-awareness.

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    This: "They wonder how they let themselves be fooled, how they could have gone along, and they replay endlessly the things that have happened to them, trying to pinpoint moments when they could have done something. "

    This same thing echoes throughout history, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    An interesting interview and you can see why many people at one time respected him, and then he changed and the rest is history.

    I wouldn't. I write about eras in U.S. history, and in a couple of instances, the iconic individuals I've chosen are people who precipitated criminal activity or tragic events. I'm not looking for those people; I'm writing about people who embody some aspect of American society of a particular era. And I write about the good and the bad of those eras. Jim Jones, for example, was a demagogue, but I was shocked to learn about the great things he accomplished. If he had died at the end of his tenure in Indianapolis, we'd remember him as one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement.

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    Just watched a History channel documentary on Jones, he was a bad guy from the start. He started a cult following in Indiana, and when questions arose, he bolted for San Francisco. Given the time period, was able to cover his motives and effects thru demagoguery and token gestures

    It was only a matter of time before he was exposed, which is why he fled to South America

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    911
    How do I call it?
    Anonymity is priceless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    An interesting interview and you can see why many people at one time respected him, and then he changed and the rest is history.

    I wouldn't. I write about eras in U.S. history, and in a couple of instances, the iconic individuals I've chosen are people who precipitated criminal activity or tragic events. I'm not looking for those people; I'm writing about people who embody some aspect of American society of a particular era. And I write about the good and the bad of those eras. Jim Jones, for example, was a demagogue, but I was shocked to learn about the great things he accomplished. If he had died at the end of his tenure in Indianapolis, we'd remember him as one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement.

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    It's virtue signalling. He preyed in those he duped.

    It's like Harvey Weinstein. He championed woman's rights, marching in the woman's march, starting the Miriam foundation in support of female directors. He was also raping and abusing them. Sometimes evil people use good causes as cover.
    ďBut muh campaign financesĒ

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Just watched a History channel documentary on Jones, he was a bad guy from the start. He started a cult following in Indiana, and when questions arose, he bolted for San Francisco. Given the time period, was able to cover his motives and effects thru demagoguery and token gestures

    It was only a matter of time before he was exposed, which is why he fled to South America
    A contradiction in character. The good he did, while being a shister.
    Thatís why Iím so screwed up, because I had a father who pushed me so hard,Ē Trump acknowledged in 2007, in a brief and rare moment of self-awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    It's virtue signalling. He preyed in those he duped.

    It's like Harvey Weinstein. He championed woman's rights, marching in the woman's march, starting the Miriam foundation in support of female directors. He was also raping and abusing them. Sometimes evil people use good causes as cover.
    Unfortunately, it happens all too often. It’s a good comparison with Weinstein.
    Thatís why Iím so screwed up, because I had a father who pushed me so hard,Ē Trump acknowledged in 2007, in a brief and rare moment of self-awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This: "They wonder how they let themselves be fooled, how they could have gone along, and they replay endlessly the things that have happened to them, trying to pinpoint moments when they could have done something. "

    This same thing echoes throughout history, doesn't it?
    911


    the bush team pretended they were not warned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    An interesting interview and you can see why many people at one time respected him, and then he changed and the rest is history.

    I wouldn't. I write about eras in U.S. history, and in a couple of instances, the iconic individuals I've chosen are people who precipitated criminal activity or tragic events. I'm not looking for those people; I'm writing about people who embody some aspect of American society of a particular era. And I write about the good and the bad of those eras. Jim Jones, for example, was a demagogue, but I was shocked to learn about the great things he accomplished. If he had died at the end of his tenure in Indianapolis, we'd remember him as one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement.

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    Solzhenitsyn spent a lot of time writing about the nature of good and evil, and how there is a line in all human hearts dividing good from evil - and that it is the conscious choices we make that define our character. People who otherwise might have been good people, got caught up helping Stalin commit his crimes against humanity...people who otherwise might have led decent lives, became guards at Gulag camps, NKVD interrogators, etc.

    “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains ... an unuprooted small corner of evil.

    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.

    Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world: They struggle with the evil inside a human being (inside every human being). It is impossible to expel evil from the world in its entirety, but it is possible to constrict it within each person.”

    -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Solzhenitsyn spent a lot of time writing about the nature of good and evil, and how there is a line in all human hearts dividing good from evil - and that it is the conscious choices we make that define our character. People who otherwise might have been good people, got caught up helping Stalin commit his crimes against humanity...people who otherwise might have led decent lives, became guards at Gulag camps, NKVD interrogators, etc.
    He was brilliant.
    Thatís why Iím so screwed up, because I had a father who pushed me so hard,Ē Trump acknowledged in 2007, in a brief and rare moment of self-awareness.

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    Hitler was nice to the secretaries
    Margot Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot Frank View Post
    Hitler was nice to the secretaries
    As was Bill Clinton to his interns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    As was Bill Clinton to his interns
    And Trump his porn stars.
    Thatís why Iím so screwed up, because I had a father who pushed me so hard,Ē Trump acknowledged in 2007, in a brief and rare moment of self-awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    And Trump his porn stars.
    Undoubtedly. Apotheosis takes many forms.


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