The Preterist Approach to Revelation

[kudzu]

Yes, the Talmud is the bible of the Jews. But, you know nothing about Jews. In monumental, willful ignorance, you think Jesus is Jew.

Nope.. That's not what the Talmud is. The Talmud is a collection of debates and discussions in which the classical rabbis engaged... Its commentaries... and originates from about 200 AD.

Most assuredly Jesus was a Jew ..

[kudzu]

Revelation was written to seven churches and "churches" are not code words jewish communities.

Revelation wasn't written in English. It was written in Koine Greek... During the first Christian centuries, Jewish-Christians used houses of worship known in academic literature as synagogue-churches.

These were Jewish congregations.

The Greek word ‘ekklesia’ is found some 114 times in the New Testament, and it refers to an assembly, a gathering, a community, a congregation.

[Bobb]

Nope.. That's not what the Talmud is. The Talmud is a collection of debates and discussions in which the classical rabbis engaged... Its commentaries... and originates from about 200 AD.

Most assuredly Jesus was a Jew ..

You are an idiot, Kudzu, a real idiot who doesn't know shit about Jews. The Wikidpedia entry the Talmud opens with, "The Talmud (/ˈtɑːlmʊd, -məd, ˈtæl-/; Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd) is the central text of Rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish religious law (halakha) and Jewish theology.

Kudzi-the-idiot dismisses the the Talmud as discussion and commentary. Wikipedia (which is accurate, here) calls the Talmud the central text of rabbinic Judaism and primary source of jewish theology. And, for calling Jesus a Jew, you are certainly headed to Hell, idiot.

[Bobb]

Revelation wasn't written in English. It was written in Koine Greek... During the first Christian centuries, Jewish-Christians used houses of worship known in academic literature as synagogue-churches.

These were Jewish congregations.

The Greek word ‘ekklesia’ is found some 114 times in the New Testament, and it refers to an assembly, a gathering, a community, a congregation.

Kudzu the Idiot, yep, Revelation was written in Greek (the lingua franca of gentiles), not Hebrew, because the New Testament is for gentiles, not Jews. Idiot, the New Testament church, by definition, is not a Jewish institution. Idiot, where are any of these seven churches of Revelation called "synagogue-churches"? Idiot, Revelation calls Jews the synagogue of Satan.

[kudzu]

Kudzu the Idiot, yep, Revelation was written in Greek (the lingua franca of gentiles), not Hebrew, because the New Testament is for gentiles, not Jews. Idiot, the New Testament church, by definition, is not a Jewish institution. Idiot, where are any of these seven churches of Revelation called "synagogue-churches"? Idiot, Revelation calls Jews the synagogue of Satan.

Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Jews.. It was the language of commerce.. Remember the Decapolis?

Alexander the Great conquered Jerusalem in 332 BC.

John of Patmos was a Jew and he borrowed Revelation from an earlier apocalyptic text.. They were very popular for about 300 years.

Most Jews have never read the Talmud.. Its volumes and volumes of commentary.

Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until AFTER the destruction of the Temple and really didn't even begin to come into being until about 200 AD.

The Jewish followers of Jesus , later called Christians, fled to Pella to avoid the tribulation as Jesus had told them to do.

[Bobb]

Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Jews.. It was the language of commerce.. Remember the Decapolis?

Indeed, Greek was the lingua franka of the Jews. Most Jews no longer spoke Hebrew by the first century. God had mostly finished with the Jews 400 years prior, all that was left for the linage of Jacob was the birth of Jesus. The loss of Hebrew reflects this.

John of Patmos was a Jew and he borrowed Revelation from an earlier apocalyptic text.. They were very popular for about 300 years.

kudzu the Idiot, what are you saying? That Revelation was written a couple centuries before Jesus?

Most Jews have never read the Talmud.. Its volumes and volumes of commentary.

Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until AFTER the destruction of the Temple and really didn't even begin to come into being until about 200 AD.

Kudzu the Idiot, if Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until after the destruction of the Temple, then why do you keep claiming Jesus and the Apostles were Jews when Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist at the time?

Kudzu the Idiot, it makes no difference that most Jews have never read the Talmud, their religion is still based on the Talmud just like the religion of Christians is based on the New Testament, even though most Christians have never read much of it. And, that Talmud "commentary" is still their bible.

[kudzu]

Indeed, Greek was the lingua franka of the Jews. Most Jews no longer spoke Hebrew by the first century. God had mostly finished with the Jews 400 years prior, all that was left for the linage of Jacob was the birth of Jesus. The loss of Hebrew reflects this.



kudzu the Idiot, what are you saying? That Revelation was written a couple centuries before Jesus?



Kudzu the Idiot, if Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until after the destruction of the Temple, then why do you keep claiming Jesus and the Apostles were Jews when Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist at the time?

Kudzu the Idiot, it makes no difference that most Jews have never read the Talmud, their religion is still based on the Talmud just like the religion of Christians is based on the New Testament, even though most Christians have never read much of it. And, that Talmud "commentary" is still their bible.

Temple Judaism existed long before Rabbinic Judaism. ... It was the end of the world for them. Rabbinic Judaism came into being after the tribulation and after the destruction of the Temple by Titus.

Yes, Revelation is much older.. Didn't you wonder about the ancient style of writing?

John of Patmos changed it a bit.

[Bobb]

Temple Judaism existed long before Rabbinic Judaism. ... It was the end of the world for them. Rabbinic Judaism came into being after the tribulation and after the destruction of the Temple by Titus.

Yes, Revelation is much older.. Didn't you wonder about the ancient style of writing?

John of Patmos changed it a bit.

Revelation leans on the Old Testament, but if there's a BC text of a version of Revelation, let's have a link.

"Temple Judaism"? LOL The religion of the Old Testament needs no Temple.

You still lack the intelligence to understand: Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

[kudzu]

Revelation leans on the Old Testament, but if there's a BC text of a version of Revelation, let's have a link.

"Temple Judaism"? LOL The religion of the Old Testament needs no Temple.

You still lack the intelligence to understand: Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

I already posted a link to the earlier Apocryphal writing.

Judaism was focused on the Temple..for sacrifice and sermons and ritual immersions. Have you never heard of the first and second temples? Have you ever been to the Holy Land?

Greek and Aramaic were in common usage long before the first century AD.

You are a pretty nasty old coot..

Why do you think Jesus wasn't a Jew?

[Bobb]

Judaism was focused on the Temple..for sacrifice and sermons and ritual immersions. Have you never herd of the first and second temples? Have you ever been to the Holy Land?

Greek and Aramaic were in common usage long before the first century AD.

You are a pretty nasty old coot..

The practices at the temple can be done elsewhere. There's no ordinance that a temple be used.

Jews hate Jesus, Jesus doesn't hate Jesus, therefor Jesus isn't a Jew. And, by your own confession, rabbinic judaism didn't exist in Jesus' day.

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[kudzu]

The practices at the temple can be done elsewhere. There's no ordinance that a temple be used.

Jews hate Jesus, Jesus doesn't hate Jesus, therefor Jesus isn't a Jew. And, by your own confession, rabbinic judaism didn't exist in Jesus' day.

Why do you think Jesus wasn't a Jew?

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The temple was central to Jewish worship.

Were you thinking Jesus was a gentile? Or, perhaps a Canaanite??

[Bobb]

The temple was central to Jewish worship.

Were you thinking Jesus was a gentile? Or, perhaps a Canaanite??

The Temple may have been central to worship, but it wasn't required. Instead of making me repeat this again, why don't you just read it over and over. Jesus was a Nazarene and a Christian, not a Jew. Jesus hated Jews and their proto-talmudic religion.

Kudzu the Idiot, there's no big words or deep concepts here, but you're just too much of an idiot to get it: Jesus said to the Jews, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

[kudzu]

The Temple may have been central to worship, but it wasn't required. Instead of making me repeat this again, why don't you just read it over and over. Jesus was a Nazarene and a Christian, not a Jew. Jesus hated Jews and their proto-talmudic religion.

Kudzu the Idiot, there's no big words or deep concepts here, but you're just too much of an idiot to get it: Jesus said to the Jews, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

There were NO Christians.

A Nazarene was someone who lived in Nazareth at the time of Jesus..

“Jesus of Nazareth” is first used in the Bible by Phillip who, after being called by Jesus to follow Him, told Nathanael, "We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph" (John 1:45).

[Bobb]

There were NO Christians.

All who love God are Christians, because Christ is God, even before Christ came. That's why Jews are children of the Devil.

A Nazarene was someone who lived in Nazareth at the time of Jesus..

Yes, Jesus lived in Nazereth before he started his ministry. Jesus wasn't a resident of Judea. Jesus didn't follow the Talmud. Jesus didn't hate himself. Jesus wasn't a Jew.

[kudzu]

All who love God are Christians, because Christ is God, even before Christ came. That's why Jews are children of the Devil.



Yes, Jesus lived in Nazereth before he started his ministry. Jesus wasn't a resident of Judea. Jesus didn't follow the Talmud. Jesus didn't hate himself. Jesus wasn't a Jew.

The Talmud didn't exist in Jesus day.. Jesus followed and taught the Torah.