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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I've seen how creeping Socialism starts, fake Saudi princess.

    Like Obamacare, which I suspect was designed to fail so that "single-payer" AKA "Medicare for all" would seem palatable, I believe "Medicare for all" is also designed to fail so that nationalization can be implemented to solve the ensuing manufactured "crisis".

    One look at the backers is enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_for_All_Caucus
    Fucking Obama. His program was supposed to fail, and it ended up succeeding! What a loser.

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    For three years running, the uninsured rate has remained unchanged, government data show. That means, despite massive taxpayer costs, ObamaCare is tapped out.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, the overall uninsured rate last year was 9.1%, the same as it was in 2015.

    If you take out retirees, who are automatically covered by Medicare, the uninsured rate was 10.7% last year, up a fraction from 10.5% in 2015.

    The uninsured rate for the near poor hasn't budged in three years. And it's climbed for those characterized by the CDC as "not poor." It went from 6.6% in 2015 to 7.2% in 2017.

    the CDC data also show that, despite all the hoopla over how ObamaCare would "fix" the private insurance market, all the gains in coverage under ObamaCare came from getting more people on Medicaid.

    In other words, it was ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion that did all the work of reducing the uninsured rate, not the guaranteed issue rules, benefit mandates, the multibillion dollar ObamaCare exchanges, the failed co-op experiments, the insurance bailouts, or the tens of billions of dollars each year premium subsidies.

    Here are the numbers:

    • CDC data show that the uninsured rate among those under age 65 declined from 16.4% in 2007 to 12.4% in 2017.
    • However, over those same years the share covered by private insurance dropped from 66.8% to 65.4%.
    • The share with government insurance, meanwhile, shot up from 18.1% to 25.3%.

    One very large study found that the health of those on Medicaid wasn't significantly better than those who lacked insurance altogether. Medicaid is in desperate need of reform, and ObamaCare opened the door to this disastrous program to millions more people.

    At the same time, ObamaCare failed to "reform" the private insurance market. If anything, it exacerbated the problems. ObamaCare's mandates and regulations forced premiums in the individual insurance market through the roof, pricing many middle-class families out of the insurance market altogether.

    ObamaCare's failures are plain for all to see.


    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/medicare-for-all-democrats-midterm-elections/

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    Obamacare wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean it failed. Americans were better off with it than they were before, when far less people had health insurance.
    And no, people on Medicaid weren't just as healthy as people without insurance.
    Now I do agree that we have a long way to go to have a good health care system in America, but Obamacare was a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Obamacare wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean it failed. Americans were better off with it than they were before, when far less people had health insurance.
    And no, people on Medicaid weren't just as healthy as people without insurance.
    Now I do agree that we have a long way to go to have a good health care system in America, but Obamacare was a step in the right direction.
    Yes. Obamacare was a step in the right direction. Americans can do this .

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneOx View Post
    Obamacare wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean it failed. Americans were better off with it than they were before, when far less people had health insurance.
    So you say.

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    1. A story about an opinion poll.
    2. An editorial opinion based on opinion polls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by krudzu View Post
    Obamacare was a step in the right direction.
    So you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Socialism would mean the government owned the hospitals and employed the doctors and staff.

    Medicare is single payer-private delivery. Its not socialism.

    Start by learning what "socialism" is and isn't.
    Do you really believe that Medicare for all would not destroy the private delivery markets and completely change how health care is delivered in this country? Dumb fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Do you really believe that Medicare for all would not destroy the private delivery markets and completely change how health care is delivered in this country? Dumb fuck.

    I know it wouldn't.. Have you ever been to any country that has universal healthcare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Sweden is not socialist -- because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea.
    Great article if you want to be more informed. My guess is you will ignore it because you like being a low information dumb fuck.

    Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World

    The term socialist has been thrown around quite a bit in the past few years. Not since the cold war has the term garnered so much attention in the press and from politicians. But when you look at countries who actually have a socialist economic structure, you can see some similarities to the United States – but there are some really stark differences.

    Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

    China
    Denmark
    Finland
    Netherlands
    Canada
    Sweden
    Norway
    Ireland
    New Zealand
    Belgium

    http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-mos...-in-the-world/
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Fucking Obama. His program was supposed to fail, and it ended up succeeding! What a loser.
    How has Obamacare succeeded? The only thing it succeeded in doing was increasing our costs and lowering service levels.

    Morons on the left are constantly complainant about the healthcare in this country and even calling for a more severe change with Medicare for all. If Obamacare worked so well, why are liberals claiming they need to FIX it?

    You morons can't even keep track of your own lies, much less what happened yesterday.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Obamacare wasn't perfect, but that doesn't mean it failed. Americans were better off with it than they were before, when far less people had health insurance.
    And no, people on Medicaid weren't just as healthy as people without insurance.
    Now I do agree that we have a long way to go to have a good health care system in America, but Obamacare was a step in the right direction.
    The bolded parts are outright lies. Here's what the architect of Obamacare thought of people like you:

    Jonathan Gruber Videos: Americans "Too Stupid to Understand" Obamacare
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Jonathan Gruber Videos: Americans "Too Stupid to Understand" Obamacare
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    I know it wouldn't.. Have you ever been to any country that has universal healthcare?
    I was BORN and raised in one. My fiance' comes from and was born in one. Your pompous misplaced arrogance aside, have you ever done any research before you emotionally erupt on topics you obviously know nothing about?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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