Nationalization and Socialist ideology

[Legion]

Single-payer national health insurance, also known as “Medicare for all,” is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health care financing.

The program would be funded by combining current sources of public funding (such as Medicare and Medicaid) with new taxes based on ability to pay.



http://pnhp.org/what-is-single-payer/

[kudzu]

Single-payer national health insurance, also known as “Medicare for all,” is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health care financing.

The program would be funded by combining current sources of public funding (such as Medicare and Medicaid) with new taxes based on ability to pay.



http://pnhp.org/what-is-single-payer/

Socialism would mean the government owned the hospitals and employed the doctors and staff.

Medicare is single payer-private delivery. Its not socialism.

Start by learning what "socialism" is and isn't.

[Legion]

Socialism would mean the government owned the hospitals and employed the doctors and staff. Medicare is single payer-private delivery. Its not socialism. Start by learning what "socialism" is and isn't.

I've seen how creeping Socialism starts, fake Saudi princess.

Like Obamacare, which I suspect was designed to fail so that "single-payer" AKA "Medicare for all" would seem palatable, I believe "Medicare for all" is also designed to fail so that nationalization can be implemented to solve the ensuing manufactured "crisis".

One look at the backers is enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_for_All_Caucus

[kudzu]

I've seen how creeping Socialism starts, fake Saudi princess.

Like Obamacare, which I suspect was designed to fail so that "single-payer" AKA "Medicare for all" would seem palatable, I believe "Medicare for all" is also designed to fail so that nationalization can be implemented to solve the ensuing manufactured "crisis".

One look at the backers is enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_for_All_Caucus

Your "beliefs" are based on ignorance. Trump called himself a nationalist. Private delivery is NOT socialism.

[Legion]

Your "beliefs" are based on ignorance. Trump called himself a nationalist. Private delivery is NOT socialism.

You're a convicted fraudster with zero credibility who has been confined to a mental institution, fake Saudi princess. Why would I give any credence to a mentally ill proven thief and habitual liar like you?

BTW, there's a difference between "nationalism" and "nationalization".

[Legion]

Remember when some people warned that Obamacare was designed to fail so radical leftists could push "single payer" as a "solution" to the ensuing "crisis?"


That was called fearmongering by liars like krudzu.

Obamacare failed. Sure enough, DEMOCRATS are now pushing "Medicare for All" as the "solution" to the "crisis".

It, too, is designed to fail, IMO, as the precursor to the nationalization of a huge portion of the US economy.

[jimmymccready]

Social Nationalism is the root cause of the far right and the Alt Right.

[Legion]

Social Nationalism is the root cause of the far right and the Alt Right.

McThink McSo? At any rate, that's not the McSubject of this McThread.

[Legion]

What would "Medicare for All" do? Here are the facts, based on the bills in the House and Senate.

First, it would outlaw all employer-provided plans, individually purchased insurance, every single union plan. It also means an end to the increasingly popular private Medicare Advantage insurance plans.

"Medicare for All" would have the government pay all medical costs. There'd be no copays or deductibles on anything, from doctor visits, surgery and drugs to long-term care, dental and vision. The only thing not covered would be cosmetic surgery.

Keep in mind that no other country in the world does that.

Even in "socialistic" countries like Sweden and Denmark, people pay 14% to 15% of health costs out of pocket.

Canada doesn't cover prescription drugs, and private insurance picks up 13% of health bills.

Even in China, people buy private insurance to cover copays and deductibles, and the Chinese pay almost a third of health costs out of pocket.

DEMOCRATS are rushing to endorse a plan that is more radical and expensive than Communist China's'.



https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/medicare-for-all-midterm-elections/

[kudzu]

What would "Medicare for All" do? Here are the facts, based on the bills in the House and Senate.

First, it would outlaw all employer-provided plans, individually purchased insurance, every single union plan. It also means an end to the increasingly popular private Medicare Advantage insurance plans.

"Medicare for All" would have the government pay all medical costs. There'd be no copays or deductibles on anything, from doctor visits, surgery and drugs to long-term care, dental and vision. The only thing not covered would be cosmetic surgery.

Keep in mind that no other country in the world does that.

Even in "socialistic" countries like Sweden and Denmark, people pay 14% to 15% of health costs out of pocket.

Canada doesn't cover prescription drugs, and private insurance picks up 13% of health bills.

Even in China, people buy private insurance to cover copays and deductibles, and the Chinese pay almost a third of health costs out of pocket.

DEMOCRATS are rushing to endorse a plan that is more radical and expensive than Communist China's'.



https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/medicare-for-all-midterm-elections/

Sweden is not socialist -- because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea.

[Legion]

Sweden is not socialist -- because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea.

That's why I didn't say that Sweden is socialist, fake Saudi princess.

Any more irrelevant asides, fraudster?

[kudzu]

You're a convicted fraudster with zero credibility who has been confined to a mental institution, fake Saudi princess. Why would I give any credence to a mentally ill proven thief and habitual liar like you?

BTW, there's a difference between "nationalism" and "nationalization".

Of course there is a difference between nationalism and nationalization.. but you don't know the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

[Legion]

Of course there is a difference between nationalism and nationalization.. but you don't know the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

So you say, fraudster. You also said that you were a Saudi princess, and claimed that "gas is $5 @ gallon in NYC".

That means you aren't credible.

[Legion]

"Medicare for all" would very likely double the size of the federal government.

Analysis of Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan found that it could cost $32.6 trillion initially, which may be an underestimate.

[Legion]

Sanders' plan starts with an 8.4% hike in payroll taxes, sharply higher income taxes and more, none of which is likely cover the exorbitant costs.