A Southern Baptist seminary just admitted its slave-owning past

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A Brief History
On April 20, 1657, the Dutch masters of the colony of New Amsterdam, later to become New York City, made the historic move of granting religious freedom to two dozen Jewish refugees that had fled oppression in Recife, Holland, in 1654 when the Portuguese conquered that city.

Digging Deeper
This humble beginnings of the New York Jewish population was opposed by Peter Stuyvesant, the Director of New Amsterdam. Fortunately for the refugees, the Dutch West India Company headquartered back in Amsterdam saw otherwise and ordered the Jewish refugees be given sanctuary. By 1661 the first Jew to own a house was Asser Levy, the first Jew known to own a house anywhere in North America.

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/...gious-freedom/

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Not true. Want to provide some proof of that false claim? Oh wait. Never mind. You're the guy who thinks Israel was behind 9/11.

Seriously?

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Yes, I have no doubt jewish people were involved in slaving during the 5,000 years of recorded history.

As were Muslims, and Christians.

But I am not going to let a statement that the Jews were "primarily" responsible for the slave trade stand unchallenged.

I am not a trained historian, but I have decades under my belt of taking history classes, reading history books, watching history documentaries, and listening to trained historians. And I have never once heard, not a single time, from a body of credible sources that the Jewish people were "primarily" responsible for the Atlantic slave trade.

Yes, or the word dominant, they weren’t.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myj...ave-trade/amp/

Other studies, by Harold Brackman and Saul Friedman, reached similar conclusions. In a 1994 article in the New York Review of Books, David Brion Davis, an emeritus professor of history at Yale University and author of an award-winning trilogy of books about slavery, noted that Jews were one of countless religious and ethnic groups around the world to participate in the slave trade:

The participants in the Atlantic slave system included Arabs, Berbers, scores of African ethnic groups, Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Dutch, Jews, Germans, Swedes, French, English, Danes, white Americans, Native Americans, and even thousands of New World blacks who had been emancipated or were descended from freed slaves but who then became slaveholding farmers or planters themselves.

Davis went on to note that in the American South in 1830 there were “120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.”

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Not true. Want to provide some proof of that false claim? Oh wait. Never mind. You're the guy who thinks Israel was behind 9/11.

You've heard of Isaac Da Costa, haven't you?

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Jews owned many slave ships.. and auctions were not held to interfere with holy days or shabbat.

Yes, they were slave traders, but they did not dominate the trade.

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Yes, or the word dominant, they weren’t.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myj...ave-trade/amp/

Other studies, by Harold Brackman and Saul Friedman, reached similar conclusions. In a 1994 article in the New York Review of Books, David Brion Davis, an emeritus professor of history at Yale University and author of an award-winning trilogy of books about slavery, noted that Jews were one of countless religious and ethnic groups around the world to participate in the slave trade:

The participants in the Atlantic slave system included Arabs, Berbers, scores of African ethnic groups, Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Dutch, Jews, Germans, Swedes, French, English, Danes, white Americans, Native Americans, and even thousands of New World blacks who had been emancipated or were descended from freed slaves but who then became slaveholding farmers or planters themselves.

Davis went on to note that in the American South in 1830 there were “120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.”

In Dutch Guyana there were 40 Jewish-owned plantations had thousands of slaves... Same thing all over the Carribbean.

Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa.

Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760s and early 1770s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.

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A definite whiff of barely-disguised anti-Semitism rearing up on the thread.

I frequently elicit howls of protest from conservatives if I dare mention there is a strain of virulent anti-Semitism in the right wing.

But then threads like this come along to prove me right.

When did Farakhan become a right winger to you?

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In Dutch Guyana there were 40 Jewish-owned plantations had thousands of slaves... Same thing all over the Carribbean.

Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa.

Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760s and early 1770s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.

Yes, they were traders, they didn’t dominate the trade.

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Yes, or the word dominant, they weren’t.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myj...ave-trade/amp/

Other studies, by Harold Brackman and Saul Friedman, reached similar conclusions. In a 1994 article in the New York Review of Books, David Brion Davis, an emeritus professor of history at Yale University and author of an award-winning trilogy of books about slavery, noted that Jews were one of countless religious and ethnic groups around the world to participate in the slave trade:

The participants in the Atlantic slave system included Arabs, Berbers, scores of African ethnic groups, Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Dutch, Jews, Germans, Swedes, French, English, Danes, white Americans, Native Americans, and even thousands of New World blacks who had been emancipated or were descended from freed slaves but who then became slaveholding farmers or planters themselves.

Davis went on to note that in the American South in 1830 there were “120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.”

Greet work, P.

I can't believe this is even a debate.

There are no reliable statistical methodologies, scientifically based polls, or rigourous academic studies from 200 years ago that can credibly tell us with precision and quantification that Jews "dominated" the Atlantic slave trade.

None. Nada. Zilch.

I ain't buying it for a second.

But we all know from human nature and historical accounts that people of all religions and creeds can trade their souls for profit, and get involved in something as evil as the slave trade.

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Yes, they were traders, they didn’t dominate the trade.

Ever heard of Aaron Lopez?

His money and ships provided help to George Washington ... He was the wealthiest merchant of the thirteen colonies and owned several slave ships.

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Greet work, P.

I can't believe this is even a debate.

There are no reliable statistical methodologies, scientifically based polls, or rigourous academic studies from 200 years ago that can credibly tell us with precision and quantification that Jews "dominated" the Atlantic slave trade.

None. Nada. Zilch.

I ain't buying it for a second.

But we all know from human nature and historical accounts that people of all religions and creeds can trade their souls for profit, and get involved in something as evil as the slave trade.

Take morality out of it.. They dominated the slave trade in the New World and my Dutch ancestors worked for them.

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Ever heard of Aaron Lopez?

His money and ships provided help to George Washington ... He was the wealthiest merchant of the thirteen colonies and owned several slave ships.

So?

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Take morality out of it.. They dominated the slave trade in the New World and my Dutch ancestors worked for them.

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-art...e-black-muslim

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Read this history.. They were very confident in their domination of the slave trade.


Dutch West India Company
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed.
Copyright The Columbia University Press

Dutch West India Company, trading and colonizing company, chartered by the States-General of the Dutch republic in 1621 and organized in 1623. Through its agency New Netherland was founded. The phenomenal success of the Dutch East India Company was an influential factor in its establishment.

The United New Netherland Company, which had been trading around the mouth of the Hudson River for several years, was absorbed into the new company. By the terms of the charter no citizen of the Netherlands could trade with any point on the African coast between the Tropic of Cancer and the Cape of Good Hope or on the American coast between Newfoundland and the Straits of Magellan without the company's permission.

The company was responsible to the States-General in larger matters, such as declaring war, but otherwise had almost complete administrative and judicial power in its territory. The company was initially interested taking Brazil from the Portuguese.

After 30 years of warfare, however, Brazil was lost. By that time the company had built Fort Orange (1624) on the site of Albany, N.Y., Fort Nassau (1624) on the Delaware River, Fort Good Hope on the site of Hartford on the Connecticut River, and finally Fort Amsterdam (1626), on the southern tip of Manhattan Island, which was the nucleus of the settlement called New Amsterdam, now New York City.

England could not then afford to antagonize the Dutch because of wars with France and Spain and so permitted the Dutch settlement to be made on lands that England claimed. New Netherland remained under the control of the company until the English finally conquered it in 1664 (see New York, state).

The company's unsound financial condition led to its reorganization under a new charter in 1674. Thereafter it engaged primarily in the African slave trade, though it still possessed colonies in Guiana. In 1791 its charter expired and was not renewed.

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https://www.encyclopedia.com/history...-india-company

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https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-art...e-black-muslim

The Dutch West Indies company kept impeccable records that are still available.. to include ships manifests, stockholder's names, cargo, arrival and departure dates.. The archives are available in Holland and in Brazil as well as other Islands in the Carribbean.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history...-india-company

Forget Louis Farrakhan.. He's a hate monger who invented his own form of Islam, but that does NOT change history.