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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Seriously, why didn't Trump get funding for his bullshit wall when Republicans controlled everything? 2 years they controlled everything yet never funded the wall. Why not? Now it's a "Democrats don't want to fund our wall" bullshit.
    There's this thing called a filibuster that pretty much made that difficult. While the House would pass the bill a ton of times, the bill wouldn't pass the 60 vote limit of the filibuster.

    What constantly astounds me is why when both houses were controlled by Ds with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate the Ds didn't pass immigration reform. Even when it was only 1 vote under the filibuster they could have gotten one squishy R to vote with them, surely. Instead they had to go through all that rigamarole to foist a healthcare "plan" that made healthcare unaffordable for middle class folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Short answer: No.

    Answer relevant to this discussion, what I stated and what you later said "BAM!" to when Desh posted it:

    https://legaldictionary.net/emergency-power/
    So where does the constitution grants the president additional power to the president if he declares an emergency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Short answer: No.

    Answer relevant to this discussion, what I stated and what you later said "BAM!" to when Desh posted it:

    https://legaldictionary.net/emergency-power/
    I went back and re-read where I said BAM, I can see that I interpreted the statement very differently than you did. To me it means the president does not have additional authority simply by saying it’s an emergency, but he does have authority under the constitution to act in an emergency, just not additional authority, it’s simply the authority he always has had under the constitution. Two different things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    No collusion
    Mexico will pay for the wall
    I never paid Stormy
    I didn’t know Cohen paid Stormy
    I paid Cohen back for paying Stormy
    My campaign never met with Russians
    Only a few low level campaign members met Russians.
    My son met with Russians but only about adoptions.
    I didn’t know about the meeting.
    I did not dictate Don Jr’s statement.
    I can declare an emergency and build the wall.
    I will ban all Muslims from entering the Country.

    And on and on and on...
    Someone is having a Trumper Tantrum today. Does Rana need to change your diaper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I went back and re-read where I said BAM, I can see that I interpreted the statement very differently than you did. To me it means the president does not have additional authority simply by saying it’s an emergency, but he does have authority under the constitution to act in an emergency, just not additional authority, it’s simply the authority he always has had under the constitution. Two different things!
    Where are you getting this all from? None of it is correct. This is really worth a read for everyone on this board. It will make some really happy and others piss themselves. From a very liberal source by the way:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...powers/576418/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I went back and re-read where I said BAM, I can see that I interpreted the statement very differently than you did. To me it means the president does not have additional authority simply by saying it’s an emergency, but he does have authority under the constitution to act in an emergency, just not additional authority, it’s simply the authority he always has had under the constitution. Two different things!
    It is, quite literally, the exact same link.
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    There is no national emergency to declare at the border so why would that even be an option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    There is no national emergency to declare at the border so why would that even be an option?
    People with a higher pay grade than you or I get to decide what is a national emergency and what is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    There is no national emergency to declare at the border so why would that even be an option?
    It isn't. Even if he tried it would fail. Even the Senate would tell him no. You don't get to just "declare an emergency" when you can't get what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    People with a higher pay grade than you or I get to decide what is a national emergency and what is not.
    What a stupid statement. Our govt manufactures emergencies/crisis/danger all the damn time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    The article is hyperbolic fear mongering. Congress can shut down a national emergency declaration in a matter of a few hours by passing a joint resolution. A president facing electoral defeat or impeachment is not going to have a compliant Congress that supports his actions.
    And another one who doesn't bother to read spouts off thinking he knows what was said.

    That is one of the reasons the country is so fucked up. We have a "President" who cannot read, cannot tell the truth, and thinks he is a genius, and a population that thinks the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fapper View Post
    We have a "President" who cannot read, cannot tell the truth, and thinks he is a genius, and a population that thinks the same way.
    Is that right, mature masturbator? Your fellow liberals are busy claiming that the population is against the president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    There's this thing called a filibuster that pretty much made that difficult. While the House would pass the bill a ton of times, the bill wouldn't pass the 60 vote limit of the filibuster.

    What constantly astounds me is why when both houses were controlled by Ds with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate the Ds didn't pass immigration reform. Even when it was only 1 vote under the filibuster they could have gotten one squishy R to vote with them, surely. Instead they had to go through all that rigamarole to foist a healthcare "plan" that made healthcare unaffordable for middle class folk.
    So much wrong here one hardly knows where to start.

    It was not the filibuster (which had been pretty much eliminated as a legislative tool) it was McConnells refusal to bring issues up for a vote.

    And it was not Obamacare that drove up the price of healthcare. It was the Republicans refusal to work with the Dems to fix the problems of Obamacare. Instead they set on a course to destroy it even though it was originally their idea.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is that right, mature masturbator? Your fellow liberals are busy claiming that the population is against the president.
    Funny how you again demonstrate how fucking dumb you are.

    I said "who cannot read, cannot tell the truth, and thinks he is a genius", then there is this comma, and I added "a population that thinks the same way."

    You see little dog fucker, it is fools like you that think as Trump does. You "think" you are a genius, you cannot tell the truth, and you obviously cannot comprehend what you read.

    Not a word about ones political persuasion.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fapper View Post
    Funny how you again demonstrate how fucking dumb you are. I said "who cannot read, cannot tell the truth, and thinks he is a genius", then there is this comma, and I added "a population that thinks the same way." You see little dog fucker, it is fools like you that think as Trump does. You "think" you are a genius, you cannot tell the truth, and you obviously cannot comprehend what you read. Not a word about ones political persuasion.
    I understand your dilemma, mature masturbator. I pointed out the fact that you unwittingly conceded that the president has the support of the population that thinks the way he does, which is something you cannot admit.

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