Trump: I could declare a national emergency to get border wall

[Nordberg]

The Dem controlled House has the power of the purse. Trump has some money he could waste on a wall, but when it ends, the House can refuse him spending more. He does not know it, but Trump was not elected king.

[Jarod]

If this is true why did Congress limit those powers through the National Emergencies Act in 1976 after realizing that many emergencies were still in effect?

Show me where the Constitution gives the president special powers in a National Emergency....

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, does not make it right or Constitutional.

[Damocles]

Show me where the Constitution gives the president special powers in a National Emergency....

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, does not make it right or Constitutional.

I can show you decisions where the SCOTUS recognized the powers, or didn't depending on the time. Truman used it to put Japanese folks in internment camps, for instance...

Franklin D. Roosevelt used it first in 1933 to stop the "hoarding of gold". It was one of the ones that remained in effect in the 1970s when Congress decided to act to diminish the power. The SCOTUS ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer to limit the scope of actions but didn't limit the emergency declaration power itself.

The reality is, the SCOTUS recognizes the power of the President to act in an Emergency... and Congress does too. Some lawyer who ignores stuff like that notwithstanding, the reality does not reflect your views on this subject.

[kudzu]

I can show you decisions where the SCOTUS recognized the powers, or didn't depending on the time. Truman used it to put Japanese folks in internment camps, for instance...

Franklin D. Roosevelt used it first in 1933 to stop the "hoarding of gold". It was one of the ones that remained in effect in the 1970s when Congress decided to act to diminish the power. The SCOTUS ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer to limit the scope of actions but didn't limit the emergency declaration power itself.

The reality is, the SCOTUS recognizes the power of the President to act in an Emergency... and Congress does too. Some lawyer who ignores stuff like that notwithstanding, the reality does not reflect your views on this subject.

Trump isn't a Franklin Roosevelt..

[Damocles]

Trump isn't a Franklin Roosevelt..

Don't get me wrong, the only thing I am saying here is that the President does have this power and it has been supported in the past and Jarod is wrong. I do not think it applies here and now for this wall and think the courts will rule against him. And unlike Lincoln, so far this Administration doesn't ignore the courts.

[Jarod]

I can show you decisions where the SCOTUS recognized the powers, or didn't depending on the time. Truman used it to put Japanese folks in internment camps, for instance...

Franklin D. Roosevelt used it first in 1933 to stop the "hoarding of gold". It was one of the ones that remained in effect in the 1970s when Congress decided to act to diminish the power. The SCOTUS ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer to limit the scope of actions but didn't limit the emergency declaration power itself.

The reality is, the SCOTUS recognizes the power of the President to act in an Emergency... and Congress does too. Some lawyer who ignores stuff like that notwithstanding, the reality does not reflect your views on this subject.

You think they would allow Rump to do it over this “wall”?

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, in the past, it does not make it right or Constitutional.

The Constitution does NOT give the president such a right.

[Damocles]

You think they would allow Rump to do it over this “wall”?

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, in the past it does not make it right or Constitutional.

No. I'm just pointing out that just standing around saying, "There is no Emergency Power for the President" doesn't make it true. Please see one post up from the one I am quoting here. As I said previously, the opinion of one attorney declaring something doesn't exist doesn't actually fit with reality in this case.

[Jarod]

No. I'm just pointing out that just standing around saying, "There is no Emergency Power for the President" doesn't make it true. Please see one post up from the one I am quoting here. As I said previously, the opinion of one attorney declaring something doesn't exist doesn't actually fit with reality in this case.

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, in the past, it does not make it right or Constitutional.

The Constitution does NOT give the president such a right.

[Damocles]

Congress and Courts might have allowed it, in the past, it does not make it right or Constitutional.

The Constitution does NOT give the president such a right.

Government doesn't have rights they have powers. SCOTUS has ruled in the past that the President has the power to take action during emergencies, it is in how the branches are designed. Stating it simply: As the action branch, the executive is the only branch that can act if we actually have an emergency.

[Jarod]

Government doesn't have rights they have powers. SCOTUS has ruled in the past that the President has the power to take action during emergencies, it is in how the branches are designed. Stating it simply: As the action branch, the executive is the only branch that can act if we actually have an emergency.

The founders considered giving such powers to the executive and rejected the idea. As I said, Just because it has happened in the past, does not make it correct or constitutional.

[Jarod]

The founders considered giving such powers to the executive and rejected the idea. As I said, Just because it has happened in the past, does not make it correct or constitutional.

Using your logic the president could declare himself king, and if Congress and the courts allowed it, it would be a constitutionalpower he has.

[Damocles]

Using your logic the president could declare himself king, and if Congress and the courts allowed it, it would be a constitutionalpower he has.

No. It doesn't. Seriously, read the rulings. You are supposed to be an attorney, act like it instead of pretending you are too stupid to actually understand what I have stated. Reality doesn't match up to your insistence, and instead of recognizing that you are wrong you just keep declaring the same thing over and over. It's disingenuous and I don't believe that you are that stupid. While some may, I am not one of them.

[Mason Michaels]

https://nypost.com/2019/01/04/trump-...t-border-wall/


Heads are exploding everywhere in Washington today. Good times.

Words of a would be dictator

[Mason Michaels]

Seems money is already there for a wall then

Jarod and other leftists told us that Trump was boxed in by Nazi Pelousy

Money is there , "Mexico will pay for the wall"

[Mason Michaels]

It was Congress that gave the President the authority.

The Act authorized the President to activate emergency provisions of law via an emergency declaration on the conditions that the President specifies the provisions so activated and notifies Congress. An activation would expire if the President expressly terminated the emergency, or did not renew the emergency annually, or if each house of Congress passed a resolution terminating the emergency. After presidents objected to this "Congressional termination" provision on separation of powers grounds, it was replaced in 1985 with termination by an enacted joint resolution. The Act also requires the President and executive agencies to maintain records of all orders and regulations that proceed from use of emergency authority, and to regularly report the cost incurred to Congress.

The wall isn't a national emergency bitch!