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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Thanks, Darth.

    I've been trying to convince my dick of that.

    I think it is laughing at me when I do. Bent over with laughter!
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    A 7 word alliteration in Spanish.

    Tres tristes tigres tragaron tres tazas de trigo.

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    Hey, BTO. Who are you picking in big game tonight? The line is Alabama by 5. I say Alabama by 3.

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    Post #513 was to DBO. Por Dios!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Please read carefully:

    "Those who supported A.H. supported the murder of 6 million Jews and the illegal annexation of most of Europe and an attempt to rule the world."

    This is known as a truism.
    Please read carefully:

    What you posted is known as a fallacy.

    The likelihood is that only a small fraction of Germans or even Nazis knew about the extermination of Jews when it happened in 1942-44. They certainly weren't asked to approve it. The activists who carried it out concealed it precisely because they knew it would not be approved of.

    Now you will say: but they approved of annexing most of Europe, etc. Possibly - in some cases even probably - but it happened in 1939-45 when Hitler's megalomania was taking off, and nobody asked the people to approve it.

    I am not a Nazi apologist, far from it, but I believe in trying to understand what happened, not spouting glib "truisms".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Please read carefully:

    What you posted is known as a fallacy.

    The likelihood is that only a small fraction of Germans or even Nazis knew about the extermination of Jews when it happened in 1942-44. They certainly weren't asked to approve it. The activists who carried it out concealed it precisely because they knew it would not be approved of.

    Now you will say: but they approved of annexing most of Europe, etc. Possibly - in some cases even probably - but it happened in 1939-45 when Hitler's megalomania was taking off, and nobody asked the people to approve it.

    I am not a Nazi apologist, far from it, but I believe in trying to understand what happened, not spouting glib "truisms".
    Truisms are never glib, that is the nature of truisms.

    "Those who supported A.H. supported the murder of 6 million Jews and the illegal annexation of most of Europe and an attempt to rule the world."

    They supported this wittingly or unwittingly. There was no way to conceal the atrocities. Not all knew but many did.

    Of course, I have already said, in the first sentence, that the annexation of most of Europe etc.

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    Frank, have you been to Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Hey, BTO. Who are you picking in big game tonight? The line is Alabama by 5. I say Alabama by 3.
    'Bama looks to me to be a sure winner.

    The question now is...who has the prettier cheerleaders. I've always been partial to USC's...but both the Tides' and Tigers' are major league.

    Looking forward to the game no matter what. (I've got no bets in on this one.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Frank, have you been to Europe?
    Yes. Spent two years in the UK. Traveled to France, Italy, Germany, Scotland, and Austria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    'Bama looks to me to be a sure winner.

    The question now is...who has the prettier cheerleaders. I've always been partial to USC's...but both the Tides' and Tigers' are major league.

    Looking forward to the game no matter what. (I've got no bets in on this one.)
    I have no bets either. I believe that Alabama could beat our Falcons. Lol

    Spring Training starts in about a month. Best game on earth. I played in college. Second base, with the spike scars to prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Yes. Spent two years in the UK. Traveled to France, Italy, Germany, Scotland, and Austria.
    I spent three years in Spain and traveled extensively. Best food was in southern France, I did not get up north in France.

    Lived on Sebastian Elcano in Los Remedios in Sevilla (Seville). Spain is a country llena de gracia (full of grace).

    I've lived in four countries, Spain, Canada, P.R and C.R. Loved them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I spent three years in Spain and traveled extensively. Best food was in southern France, I did not get up north in France.

    Lived on Sebastian Elcano in Los Remedios in Sevilla (Seville). Spain is a country llena de gracia (full of grace).

    I've lived in four countries, Spain, Canada, P.R and C.R. Loved them all.
    Haven't done a lot of traveling outside the country. Several visits to Caribbean Islands (Jamaica, PR, St. Martit). Love 'em all.

    My travel in Europe was courtesy of the USAF. Two years at SAC bases in the UK. Terrific country...especially since my interests involve history and archeology. Spent time at several digs in Southern UK...pre-history sites. I visited London often...and probably spent as much time in the Tower as Walter Raleigh.

    In Italy I toured Pompeii...and was fortunate enough to spend time at a new dig in the Egyptian area of the city.

    In Rome I managed to do something I still take pride in...even with my agnosticism. I served Mass in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. I also attended a general audience with Pope Pius Xii at Castel Gondolfo.

    In Germany I spent some time in Bavaria. Went to the top a mountain with a clear view of Hitler's Eagles Nest in Berchtesgaden...so I've actually seen that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff (formerly of Newsweek and NBC News) has reversed course and started acknowledging that the left's projection of its own disloyalty and collusion with foreign powers against this country's interests, on vivid display in the Trump-Russia hoax, has been exhaustively investigated, that there is zero evidence of anyone but Democrats colluding with Russia or rigging elections, and that all the key pillars of this astonishingly dishonest scam are "likely false." He won't be the last to be forced to admit that Democrats invented the entire thing, just like they did with Roy Moore.

    Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'



    See also:

    Woodward: No Evidence Of Trump-Russia Collusion, I Searched For Two Years

    Dossier's 10 core collusion accusations remain unverified 20 months later
    A LOT of people OTHER than Trump need to see jail time. This type of third world shit hole Fascism is an abomination to free nations.
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    The real fantasy world is the one that allows Democrats to run from a past that never was to a future no one wants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Haven't done a lot of traveling outside the country. Several visits to Caribbean Islands (Jamaica, PR, St. Martit). Love 'em all.

    My travel in Europe was courtesy of the USAF. Two years at SAC bases in the UK. Terrific country...especially since my interests involve history and archeology. Spent time at several digs in Southern UK...pre-history sites. I visited London often...and probably spent as much time in the Tower as Walter Raleigh.

    In Italy I toured Pompeii...and was fortunate enough to spend time at a new dig in the Egyptian area of the city.

    In Rome I managed to do something I still take pride in...even with my agnosticism. I served Mass in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. I also attended a general audience with Pope Pius Xii at Castel Gondolfo.

    In Germany I spent some time in Bavaria. Went to the top a mountain with a clear view of Hitler's Eagles Nest in Berchtesgaden...so I've actually seen that place.
    Was in Germany but not near Berchtesgaden. Beautiful people but I did not care for the cuisine.

    My time in Europe was contract work pertaining to aviation. Took a one year Spanish Language and Spanish History class at the University of Seville (non-transferable credits).

    I spent 30 years at the FAA ATL ATCT. Did some research on the ARTS 11 Radar.

    Agnostic? Interesting. We are all agnostics in one sense. We really don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    it has certainly proved not to be useful......hence the efforts to find something else to charge Trump with......
    You misunderstood. The proposed definition would mean the word could only actually apply to a single thing in all of history. It's a bit like saying that the definition of "mammal" is "a dog wearing a yellow bandana and catching frisbees during the half-time show of the Arkansas division one state championship football game." That's a silly definition. So, what would you propose as a more serious definition of "collusion"?

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