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    Some of the "useful idiots" (a reference to American liberals by the old USSR leaders) denied that the Gulags were places of obscene horror, torture and deprivation.

    They, in effect, perpetuated their existence by their denials. The suffering continued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Read carefully:

    "When the words "stupid and uneducated" are flung my way, I respond with my resume and ask for theirs, old timer."

    They were flung my way on another thread on this forum.


    You addressed that remark to me...IN THIS THREAD.

    Learn to say, "I made a mistake" when you make a mistake.

    Do you have a problem with Vanderbilt or just higher education in general?
    Neither.

    I have a degree in economics...with additional majors in Philosophy and Religion. Didn't have much in the way of financial resources, so I went to a less expensive Lutheran College (on the GI bill)...rather than university. Did graduate work at at university in psychology. (My interests were eclectic.)

    I understand that Vanderbuilt is an excellent engineering school albeit a bit pricey. It does seem always to be fighting charges of having racist and homophobic tendencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Perhaps there are too many polysyllabic words in his books. Lol
    There aren't. That is not the problem.

    You gotta do much better with the insults...or you are not going to make the grade here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Some of the "useful idiots" (a reference to American liberals by the old USSR leaders) denied that the Gulags were places of obscene horror, torture and deprivation.

    They, in effect, perpetuated their existence by their denials. The suffering continued.
    Fuck American liberals.

    The gulags were disgusting...places of horror.

    I do not remember any American liberal ever suggesting they were not.

    If in fact, Soltzhenisyn meant "American liberals" when he talked about "useful idiots"...perhaps you can dig up something he said to that effect.

    If that is merely something you manufactured...perhaps you can quote an American liberal denying they were horrendous places.

    By the way, today's Russians seem to think American conservatives...and Donald Trump in particular, are useful idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    You addressed that remark to me...IN THIS THREAD.

    Learn to say, "I made a mistake" when you make a mistake.



    Neither.

    I have a degree in economics...with additional majors in Philosophy and Religion. Didn't have much in the way of financial resources, so I went to a less expensive Lutheran College (on the GI bill)...rather than university. Did graduate work at at university in psychology. (My interests were eclectic.)

    I understand that Vanderbuilt is an excellent engineering school albeit a bit pricey. It does seem always to be fighting charges of having racist and homophobic tendencies.
    I haven't heard those charges.Vanderbilt was ranked 13th overall recently by Forbes, I believe. They are a very liberal university. My father and all seven (7) of my siblings have degrees from there.

    One of my three brothers joined the Communist party while there. We convinced him that he could either tear up his membership card or eat it. He tore it up.

    My Son-in-Law has almost completed his PhD in Econ. He only has his dissertation to defend.

    Good for you...if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Fuck American liberals.

    The gulags were disgusting...places of horror.

    I do not remember any American liberal ever suggesting they were not.

    If in fact, Soltzhenisyn meant "American liberals" when he talked about "useful idiots"...perhaps you can dig up something he said to that effect.

    If that is merely something you manufactured...perhaps you can quote an American liberal denying they were horrendous places.

    By the way, today's Russians seem to think American conservatives...and Donald Trump in particular, are useful idiots.
    Elinor Roosevelt was one...there were many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Fuck American liberals.

    The gulags were disgusting...places of horror.

    I do not remember any American liberal ever suggesting they were not.

    If in fact, Soltzhenisyn meant "American liberals" when he talked about "useful idiots"...perhaps you can dig up something he said to that effect.

    If that is merely something you manufactured...perhaps you can quote an American liberal denying they were horrendous places.

    By the way, today's Russians seem to think American conservatives...and Donald Trump in particular, are useful idiots.
    Well, old timer, desayuno calls. I believe that we are having my favorite...fried pork tenderloin, grits and biscuits and gravy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Fuck American liberals.

    The gulags were disgusting...places of horror.

    I do not remember any American liberal ever suggesting they were not.

    If in fact, Soltzhenisyn meant "American liberals" when he talked about "useful idiots"...perhaps you can dig up something he said to that effect.

    If that is merely something you manufactured...perhaps you can quote an American liberal denying they were horrendous places.

    By the way, today's Russians seem to think American conservatives...and Donald Trump in particular, are useful idiots.
    I said the the old USSR leadership referred to American liberals as useful idiots, not Solzhenitsyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I haven't heard those charges.Vanderbilt was ranked 13th overall recently by Forbes, I believe. They are a very liberal university. My father and all seven (7) of my siblings have degrees from there.

    One of my three brothers joined the Communist party while there. We convinced him that he could either tear up his membership card or eat it. He tore it up.

    My Son-in-Law has almost completed his PhD in Econ. He only has his dissertation to defend.

    Good for you...if true.
    I understand all that earlier stuff...if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Elinor Roosevelt was one...there were many more.
    You must mean Eleanor Roosevelt.

    You have a quote from her saying the gulags were not terrible?

    You have a quote from any American liberal (since you say there were many) saying the gulags were not terrible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Well, old timer, desayuno calls. I believe that we are having my favorite...fried pork tenderloin, grits and biscuits and gravy.
    Eat well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I said the the old USSR leadership referred to American liberals as useful idiots, not Solzhenitsyn.
    You did, indeed.

    I was totally wrong...you are correct.

    I apologize.

    I would appreciate any links you can offer with American liberals saying the gulags were not terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I did not infer that this is formal debate. I merely pointed out that using the Rubric Template, the score would be very low.

    I have graded formal debate at the collegiate level and the parameters merit a quick perusal. Informal debate would be improved by a quick study of those parameters.
    You didn't "infer", you implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    The only problem with that is that this isn’t a formal debate. The rules don’t apply.
    So "Adolf Hitler" is considered a valid response to you people. Pathetic.

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    Without reading the entire thread...by "journalists" was it just the one or far more?

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