christiefan915 (12-20-2018)
The fact that the OP is ignoring any sensible argument to her claims that somehow Obama was a good president, or that Obamacare was and is a complete disaster, unable to pay for itself, and has now been killed by Trump, should tell us all we need to know. She is changing the subject, quoting her google searches with mumbo jumbo.
please ignore her from here in, she is lost in her own thoughts.
She starts a thread about how grand Obamcare is and has spent the last 10 pages talking about fiscal budgets and non-sensical statistics that support nothing she claims
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christiefan915 (12-20-2018)
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Truth Detector (12-18-2018)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
You'd like to change the subject. I get that. If I were getting my ass kicked royally, I'd probably be tempted to change the subject, too. But your straw man tactics aren't going to work. I never suggested debt didn't double under Obama. I never claimed Obama didn't lie about Obamacare. I never said a word about whether your personal premiums rose or fell. So, those are all straw men, having nothing to do with the argument I've been making, which is about Obamacare having reduced the rate of healthcare spending growth.
As for Obamacare being "unable to survive financially," what makes you think that?
There is. One of the go-to talking points of conservatives, when confronted with the enormously better average economic performance during Democrat-led periods, is to essentially argue that we have to mentally adjust for the fact that the Democrats got the benefit of artificial economic stimulus from the war effort, while the Republicans who followed them got artificially weighed down by demobilization (e.g., we rode high during Kennedy/Johnson because Vietnam was scaling up, then hit the skids during Nixon/Ford because of demobilization of that war effort). Yet the Republicans never apply that same reasoning when it would go the other way -- for example, arguing that Clinton's performance would be even better relative to the elder Bush's if not for the fact Bush had the artificial stimulus of the first Iraq War, or the Obama's performance would be even better relative to the younger Bush's, if we hadn't be saddled with demobilizing after Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan boondoggles.is there a point there?
Why would you like me to tell you that?please tell me you are not crediting Obama for getting out of Iraq
No, it definitely wasn't. In 2008, 155 US soldiers died in Iraq. By 2016, US efforts there had been scaled by so much that we only lost 13 soldiers there. Facts matter.And Afghanistan was basically exactly how he found it when he left.
Yes. And that's why I irritate trolls like you so much. You wish I'd just hurl some insults and leave off on that, so we'd be on an even playing field. Instead, I deploy facts and figures in serious arguments, such as when I just completely blew up your ignorant assertion that Afghanistan was basically exactly how Obama found it when he left. That amounts to "cheating," from your perspective, since you have no capacity for doing the same. Read more and you'll be able to offer something of value to the forum. Good luck.are you a serious poster?
Last edited by Oneuli; 12-18-2018 at 11:22 AM.
It was an omission, not a lie you willful idiot. How does it change the argument? Obama added ten trillion to the National Debt, had the most massive trillion dollar deficits in the nations history, anemic 1.45% GDP growth over eight years and you want to declare him a success? STFU, seriously.
As for your equally moronic claims that the ACA saved Americans money, that too is a dumb lie and does not include the massive subsidies American taxpayers are being forced to pay, as well as, much higher premiums.
You're attempts to statistically suggest that premiums MIGHT have been even higher are speculative and dumb. STFU, seriously.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Lightbringer (12-18-2018)
Try to focus, little one. At no point did I "try to explain away $10T in deficits." In fact, I made no mention of $10T in deficits whatsoever. Reread. Then, if you're feeling like less of a coward, try answering:
The question was about which two-term president can it not be said that national debt went UP eight times in the eight years of his presidency.
Anyway, federal debt in Reagan's first month was $934 billion. In his last month it was 2,698 billion. That's much more than a doubling. Reagan's not the only example, either. Under FDR, national debt rose almost ten-fold. So, now that you know that you're wrong about the doubling of the national debt only happening under two presidents, Bush and Obama, does it change any of your political opinions? Again, I'm betting not, because I'm betting your opinion has nothing at all to do with the facts, and thus that finding out you were mistaken about the facts cannot alter your opinions. Am I right?
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Truth Detector (12-18-2018)
you are a lost soul, void of any reality
what is the difference between a debt and a deficit?
really, Miss Clown shoes , one is meaningless when you allow the country to sink into 20 trillion in debt, I'll let you figure out which one
I don't know what else to say, you ignore every argument presented to you, while claiming you don't.
really hard to have a conversation with a troll, so
IM DONE
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christiefan915 (12-20-2018)
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Obviously not. Your attempt to treat the question about whether Obamacare saved the American people money and the question about whether Obama was economically successful as identical would only make sense if 100% of the economy was the healthcare sector. Obviously.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
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