How much has Obamacare saved the American people?

[Oneuli]

Moron; the deficit didn't decrease as a result of LOWER spending. Damn you are dense.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/stat...outlay-summary

That's not how semicolons work.

[Legion]

Spending has increased over every significant period in US history, as have revenues.

Citation required.

[Oneuli]

Liar

What lie do you think I told? Be specific, please.

[cawacko]

I never even mentioned the dot com bubble, or the Y2K scare, so this isn't something I stated as a fact. It's something you've injected into the debate. So, what point are you trying to make?

Your quote:

""Even when the economy eventually slipped into recession, during Bush's first term, it was an unusually short and shallow recession, because the fundamentals were strong. It was basically just an engineered recession from Greenspan raising rates to try to get Bush into office... and even then, it may have been avoidable if not for the 9/11 attacks.""

The economy went into recession before 9/11 and went into recession because of the dot com bubble. And Greenspan didn't drive it into recession. The dot com bubble was unsustainable. You're young, are you familiar with the companies at the time that were getting funded?

[Oneuli]

So, you couldn't find any reference by me to anything being "proved"? Fine. Then are you retracting your claim, or should we just help you drag those goalposts to their new location?

[volsrock]

As you can see, even from your own dating of the recession, Reagan inherited a growing economy from Carter.... he also inherited a falling inflation rate. The rate had been as high as 17.0% in January 1980, and, thanks to Carter's inflation-busting pick to head the Fed, it had fallen to around 11.2% in Reagan's first month, and was heading still lower (6.8% in Reagan's fourth month). But, then the Reagan recession started that summer.



What's your point? He inherited a massive deficit and an epic economic meltdown from Bush. He brought the deficit down as fast as could reasonably have been expected. Any faster and we almost surely would have double-dipped into a second recession, like much of Europe.

Debunking Obama's Fiscal Record

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...%3fcontext=amp

[Legion]

Moron; the deficit didn't decrease as a result of LOWER spending. Damn you are dense.https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/stat...outlay-summary

All she can say in response is "that's not how semicolons work"?

[Truth Detector]

No, the goal posts are right where they started. It's just that you're half a mile away from the football field, hitting undefended layups on an abandoned basketball court, and whining that I'm not trying to stuff your shot. This was never about whether or not Obama's sales pitch was honest. That's an argument you're having with yourself. Have fun with it. Or, when you find your testicles and are ready to talk about the actual issue I brought up, the goal posts will still be waiting for you here.

IDIOT Translation:



Jonathan Gruber Videos: Oneuli "Too Stupid to Understand" Obamacare

[Getin the ring]

Obamacare is not only unconstitutional , but on a path to insolvency,
please stop defending it

it was built ona lie, sold on a lie, and is going to die a slow death

[Truth Detector]

All she can say in response is "that's not how semicolons work"?

[Legion]

So, you couldn't find any reference by me to anything being "proved"?

I did, indeed, and I provided it. Here's another:

I provided the link so you can confirm what I'm saying is correct.

Is it your contention that Obamacare caused health care costs to decline? Yes, or no?

[Truth Detector]

I'm comparing what he inherited to what he left. Now, granted, the fact that his predecessor was a really shitty president who left the nation in a terrible state did mean a lot of statistics, including deficits, were left in a place where it would have been hard for things not to get better. But you could say the same about, say, the elder Bush inheriting a record deficit from his shitty predecessor, Reagan. And yet deficits went higher still during Bush's presidency. So, it's not really foreordained that things would get so much better under Obama.

Clinton left Bush with a terrible mess too. Quit pretending Obama didn't lie and know what he was getting into, only to whine when criticized about what a shitty deal he was handed. He was supposed to be the smartest man in the room, yet he lied and passed a really shitty bill.

On top of that; he declared that we should get used to malaise as that was our future. You're a dunce.

[Truth Detector]

Spending growth was below normal. If you can keep spending growth below normal while revenues grow at something closer to a normal pace, deficits will fall. That was the formula for deficit reduction under both Obama and Clinton.

Spending growth was way above normal which is why you had the massive RECORD deficits during Obamunism you moron. Good lord; you're an idiot.

[Truth Detector]

The CBO predicted Obamacare would put downward pressure on the deficit.... even as the wingnuts were shrieking that it would raise it. Then the deficit fell at an incredible pace. Now the wingnuts are still shrieking, but have had to alter their shriek to be a freeform assertion that the deficit fell despite Obamacare, not because of it. Understandably, nobody really takes them seriously any more.

CBO is never right in their predictions and they were wrong here. Spending continue skyward. The deficits lowered as a result of REVENUE growth. Dunce.

[Legion]

Spending growth was way above normal which is why you had the massive RECORD deficits during Obamunism you moron. Good lord; you're an idiot.

I do wish she could remain employed and save the forum her suppositions and partisan opinions masquerading as fact.