Israel’s Two Creation Stories

[PostmodernProphet]

B425 Ugarit and the Bible - Quartz Hill School of Theology

Biblical poetry follows Ugaritc poetry in form and function. There is parallelism, qinah metre, bi and tri colas, and all of the poetic tools found in the Bible are found at Ugarit. In short the Ugaritic materials have a great deal to contribute to our understanding of the Biblical materials; especially since they predate any of the Biblical texts.

http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

seriously?....

KTU 1.114:2-4 says:

Eat, o Gods, and drink, drink wine till you are sated,

Which is very similar to Proverbs 9:5;
Come, eat of my food and drink wine that I have mixed .

that's your copying?......

[kudzu]

seriously?....


that's your copying?......

Were you thinking the Hebrews popped out of a vacuum?

[PostmodernProphet]

Were you thinking the Hebrews popped out of a vacuum?

no......I'm thinking all your ideas popped out of a vacuum, though.......did you really think that's a parallel?....they aren't even addressed to the same audience....

Proverbs 9

To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.

while the Ugarit poem is addressed to the gods they worship.....

[kudzu]

no......I'm thinking all your ideas popped out of a vacuum, though.......did you really think that's a parallel?....they aren't even addressed to the same audience....

Proverbs 9


while the Ugarit poem is addressed to the gods they worship.....

Nope.. They found a lot of clay tablets at Ras Shamra .. The Ugarit date back to 6,000 BC.


The "Associates for Biblical Research" website states the following;

The value of the Ugarit texts for Biblical studies lies in the fact that Mari is located in the vicinity of the homeland of the Patriarchs, being about 200 mi (320 km) southeast of Haran. It thus shares a common culture with the area where the Patriarchs originated.

Some documents detail practices such as adoption and inheritance similar to those found in the Genesis accounts. The tablets speak of the slaughtering of animals when covenants were made, judges similar to the judges of the Old Testament, gods that are also named in the Hebrew Bible, and personal names such as Noah, Abram, Laban and Jacob.

A city named Nahur is mentioned, possibly named after Abraham's grandfather Nahor (Gn 11:22-25), as well as the city of Haran where Abraham lived for a time (Gn 11:31-12:4). Hazor is spoken of often in the Mari texts and there is a reference to Laish (Dan) as well. A unique collection of 30 texts deals with prophetic messages that were delivered to local rulers who relayed them to the king. The findings at Mari show that the Patriarchal narratives accurately reflect the socioeconomic conditions of that time and place.


http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bible_ugarit.html

[PostmodernProphet]

Nope.. They found a lot of clay tablets at Ras Shamra .. The Ugarit date back to 6,000 BC.

and which of them had David's psalms written on them?.......can you link to one?......

[kudzu]

and which of them had David's psalms written on them?.......can you link to one?......

Did you read the link I posted?

[PostmodernProphet]

Did you read the link I posted?

no......I figured if you had anything important to say you would have posted it........please do so......especially if its an Ugarit poem copied by a Hebrew psalm......

[kudzu]

no......I figured if you had anything important to say you would have posted it........please do so......especially if its an Ugarit poem copied by a Hebrew psalm......

I posted a link for you from Associates of Biblical Research.

[PostmodernProphet]

I posted a link for you from Associates of Biblical Research.

you posted no Ugarit texts that were copied by one of the psalms or any links to one.......obviously because you lied when you said they were copied.......

[Ralph]

This is simple ignorance of the WORD and how to rightly divide it (comprehend, understand it) -- 2 Tim. 2:15. Moses is the author indeed of the 1st 5 books (Luke 24:27,44). But to suggest that this was a first hand account is not rightly dividing the word of Truth.


Moses but recorded the 1st 5 books.....there are several different sources addressed in the Bible itself...each with a unique contribution as witnessed from each's point of view. Even in a court of law no two witnesses give exactly the same details in testimony, only what they remember.


God is attributed to the 1st account of creation as recorded prior to (Genesis 2:4). Next comes the records of ADAM, "This is the book of the genealogy of Adam.....in the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God." -- Genesis 5:1 Next is the record of Noah (Gen. 6:9). Then the record of Shem, Sham, and Japheth (Gen. 10:1). Then the stories of Terah, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Jacob...etc.,


Suppose it was YOU instead of Moses tasked with making such a record. Of course you would start in the beginning before man was created giving details of earth's history. Form Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 2:4 it is God's account of how He created the world it is provided in great detail....then comes the beginning of Adams account generally speaking (Genesis 2:4-7) Noah's account concerning creation begins in Genesis 5:1.


Each is recorded in the Bible with each record mentioned by name. There you have 3 different accounts of creation. Why do you not claim there are 3 different creation stories in the Hebrew Account? Conclusion: There is but ONE creation......with many different accounts thereof. Moses was recording an ORAL HISTORY, inspired as it was....it was still unique to all the different histories found in the Book of Genesis.

[kudzu]

This is simple ignorance of the WORD and how to rightly divide it (comprehend, understand it) -- 2 Tim. 2:15. Moses is the author indeed of the 1st 5 books (Luke 24:27,44). But to suggest that this was a first hand account is not rightly dividing the word of Truth.


Moses but recorded the 1st 5 books.....there are several different sources addressed in the Bible itself...each with a unique contribution as witnessed from each's point of view. Even in a court of law no two witnesses give exactly the same details in testimony, only what they remember.


God is attributed to the 1st account of creation as recorded prior to (Genesis 2:4). Next comes the records of ADAM, "This is the book of the genealogy of Adam.....in the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God." -- Genesis 5:1 Next is the record of Noah (Gen. 6:9). Then the record of Shem, Sham, and Japheth (Gen. 10:1). Then the stories of Terah, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Jacob...etc.,


Suppose it was YOU instead of Moses tasked with making such a record. Of course you would start in the beginning before man was created giving details of earth's history. Form Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 2:4 it is God's account of how He created the world it is provided in great detail....then comes the beginning of Adams account generally speaking (Genesis 2:4-7) Noah's account concerning creation begins in Genesis 5:1.


Each is recorded in the Bible with each record mentioned by name. There you have 3 different accounts of creation. Why do you not claim there are 3 different creation stories in the Hebrew Account? Conclusion: There is but ONE creation......with many different accounts thereof. Moses was recording an ORAL HISTORY, inspired as it was....it was still unique to all the different histories found in the Book of Genesis.

Moses didn't write the Pentateusch.

In the original story of Isaac Abraham killed Isaac on the sacrificial altar... and in a third version Isaac is killed and resurrected.

https://thetorah.com/the-sacrifice-of-isaac-in-context/

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/67097?lang=bi

[PostmodernProphet]

Moses didn't write the Pentateusch.

In the original story of Isaac Abraham killed Isaac on the sacrificial altar... and in a third version Isaac is killed and resurrected.

https://thetorah.com/the-sacrifice-of-isaac-in-context/

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/67097?lang=bi

you poor, mad atheist......your links do not identify any second or third "versions"......if Isaac was killed, who was the guy who married Rachel and fathered Esau and Jacob?.......

by the way, it is odd to claim Abimalech fathered Isaac, since Sarah was an old woman when she gave birth......I doubt if Abimalech would have been tempted by the beauty of Abraham's wife at that time.......or perhaps you are speculating a forty year pregnancy?.......

[kudzu]

Within Judeo-Christian beliefs, the first book of the Hebrew Bible, the Book of Genesis, describes not one, but two distinct accounts of how God created the earth, its inhabitants and mankind. This article explores the purpose of each creation story and later compares and contrasts the Genesis creation stories with an earlier Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish, which dates from about 1900–1600 BCE.

Scholars believe the second story is older than the first, perhaps dating to as early as 950 BCE, while the second was probably written by the priestly caste after the Hebrews had returned from Babylonian captivity sometime around 530 BCE.

The first creation account describes how God created the world by bringing order to chaos. Here, the world was preexistent – meaning God did not create the world out of nothing (ex nihilo). Rather, “The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep” (Genesis 1:2) God’s role was then to bring goodness and order to this world depicted as “formless,” “void,” “darkness,” and “deep” – each descriptor symbolic of chaos and “evil.”

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https://www.deliriumsrealm.com/genesis-creation/

[kudzu]

you poor, mad atheist......your links do not identify any second or third "versions"......if Isaac was killed, who was the guy who married Rachel and fathered Esau and Jacob?.......

by the way, it is odd to claim Abimalech fathered Isaac, since Sarah was an old woman when she gave birth......I doubt if Abimalech would have been tempted by the beauty of Abraham's wife at that time.......or perhaps you are speculating a forty year pregnancy?.......

Isaac resided as a foreigner in the Philistine territory and around the city of Gerar for a long time and would have had to meet King Abimelech many times. Abimelech in Hebrew means: Father of the King. The second view: Title Abimelech was the name of multiple Philistine kings mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

[kudzu]

The Bible tells the story of Abraham and Sarah going back into Egypt to the house of the Pharaoh. Abraham denied Sarah was his wife but claimed she was his sister. Other texts say that Sarah became a concubine of the Pharaoh. Isaac was the issue of this liaison which would make Isaac heir to Egyptian royalty. In any case Pharaoh gave Abraham many gifts of livestock which made him a rich man.

Its been a while since I read the alternative texts, but I will try to find them..

In any case, both of Abraham's sons Isaac and Ishmael are half Egyptian, while his six sons by Keturah are half Arab.