What The FBI Did To Flynn Should Be Illegal.

**kudzu** · 12-15-2018, 11:13 AM

Rubin: The real reason Flynn was fired - philly.com

But former military colleagues of Flynn told me he was hot-tempered, a bad manager, extremely hard to work with - and prone to conspiracy theories. These negative qualities got Flynn fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama.

http://www2.philly.com/philly/opinio...was_fired.html

**Althea** · 12-15-2018, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Robo

Flynn's son is guilty of what crime? I need to be educated.

Why have the two FBI agents that interviewed Flynn say they don't believe Flynn lied?

Finally...a moment of clarity

'Lil' Flynn was active in the illegal Flynn consulting firm. He's just as liable as his father.

**kudzu** · 12-15-2018, 11:37 AM

Flynn departure erupts into a full-blown crisis for the Trump White House
This chaotic management style is embarrassing the country. It is angering our allies and emboldening our enemies. Far from making Trump look tough, it is turning him into a global figure of fun and bemusement.

The Flynn scandal is a perfect example of the cost of making foreign policy on the fly.

Flynn was hired because he was one of very few prominent security professionals who endorsed the Trump candidacy early. Also, he was a fierce critic of Hillary Clinton's, leading raucous chants at the GOP convention of "Lock her up!"

But former military colleagues of Flynn told me he was hot-tempered, a bad manager, extremely hard to work with - and prone to conspiracy theories. These negative qualities got Flynn fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama.

They were hardly the qualities needed to advise a thin-skinned, ill-informed, conspiracy-minded president on national security issues. Famously unwilling to read more than a few bullet points and certain he knows everything, Trump needed a steadying hand more than any president in memory.

Yet under Flynn, National Security Council meetings were disorganized and dysfunctional. According to the New York Times, attendees struggled to keep up with Trump's tweets, which often contained stunning foreign policy pronouncements. Nor was the council informed of what Trump told foreign leaders in his phone calls.

This was not the normal presidential learning curve. One day Trump's tweets led the Mexican president to cancel a visit; on other days he rudely insulted the Australian and French prime ministers on the telephone. The president veered forward and backward, tweeting threats to junk key elements of long-standing U.S. policy on China, then eventually backing off in the face of Beijing anger.

Experienced Republican foreign policy hands were unwelcome for senior positions because they had criticized Trump during the campaign. Only weeks into Trump's presidency, White House infighting was already vicious, as chief strategist Steve Bannon muscled in on Flynn's role and jostled with Defense Secretary James Mattis.

The president (who damned Clinton for her security breaches) talked and tweeted on an unsecured cell phone and held key security talks on North Korea in an unsecured dining room at his Mar-a-Lago club house with diners snapping photos.

The world looks on agog at Trump's foreign policy reality show.

But on one issue Trump and Flynn remained in tandem: an unseemly eagerness to appease Vladimir Putin. And that brings us to the unfolding scandal that brought Michael Flynn down.

Supposedly, Flynn was fired because he lied to Vice President Pence about phone conversations with the Russian ambassador to Washington on Dec. 29 - right after Obama imposed sanctions on Moscow for hacking the U.S. elections. Flynn said he didn't speak to the ambassador about the sanctions; this would have broken an obscure law since Flynn did not yet hold office. Pence repeated this denial on TV.

Flynn got caught because U.S. security agencies were taping the Russian ambassador and someone leaked the transcripts to the Washington Post (the mercurial Flynn had a personal war ongoing with the intel community and the leak was payback).

But I don't believe Flynn's downfall came because he lost "the trust" of his bosses. After all, he was just following Trump's line, signaling to the Kremlin that once Trump took office the sanctions would probably be lifted.

And Trump was given the transcript of Flynn's conversation on Jan. 26, so - if trust was the issue - why not dump him before now?

Nor do I buy the claim that Flynn was subject to Russian blackmail because the Kremlin knew he lied to Pence. Moscow loves Flynn; he has appeared on the Kremlin's propaganda outlet, RT, for which he took money, and been photographed schmoozing with Putin. The Russians have no more interest in blackmailing Flynn than they do in smearing Putin's chief White House admirer - Trump.

No, I believe Flynn was fired because the leaks made the story go public, and embarrassed Pence. If the leaks hadn't happened, I'm certain Flynn would still hold his post.

Never mind that he worsened the utter confusion in the White House on foreign policy. Never mind his mistaken assumptions that big U.S. concessions to Putin will woo him away from his warm relations with Iran and China and create an ally against ISIS. After all, Trump thinks the same.

Flynn's departure won't stop Trump's tweets, or his nasty calls to allies (or his attacks on stores that don't carry Ivanka's brand). Nor will it instill cohesion into White House foreign policy. Even a more sober NSC adviser couldn't do that, unless two miracles occur.

First, Bannon, another prophet of chaos in the White House, would have to resign too. And the president would have to grasp the gravity of his office and stop behaving like a reality-TV star. But that would mean he could no longer be Trump.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion...was_fired.html

**montgomery** · 12-15-2018, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Robo

I've learned one very important lesson by watching the Mueller Witch Hunt to frame Trump. Never, ever say a word to the FBI except "I WANT A FREE LAWYER.", then put a zipper on your mouth. The bastards can lie to you legally all day long but if you just forget something you said months ago they'll prosecute your ass for lying and jail ya, unless you tell them something dirty about Trump even if it's not true. Even after they've bankrupted you with legal fees, forced you to sell your house to pay your bills and threatened to prosecute your son for god only knows what.

What they did to General Flynn should be illegal! It's a travesty and miscarriage of justice.

Yes, the FBI definitely exposed Flynn's crimes and turned him.

The Trump supporters are truly faced with trying to spin Flynn the criminal as the poor mistreated victim and the FBI/Mueller as bullies. It's simply not going to work.

Flynn could have chosen to stand with Trump and eventually be pardoned. Because he was military and stood with his high ideals of America being the righteous, he realized that he had acted as a traitor to his country.

Sadly, he'll be commended for doing that as he is able to walk free. He should have rightfully been tried for treason, convicted, and sentenced to the death penalty. But be patient because that will all come out as Mueller reveals the whole truth and the extent of Trump's evil.

You're so willing to compromise your ideals old soldier! Archie Bunker would have never sold out the way you have.

**Legion** · 12-15-2018, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Robo

And that's why Mueller has recommended "NO JAIL TIME" for Flynn and the judge in the Flynn case wants to review all of the documents in the Flynn case to see what crime was committed and how Flynn was treated by Mueller, right?

You don't expect a cogent answer from a convicted fraudster with a history of mental illness like her, do you?

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by floridafan

Expected, more of your fucking lies.

Comey Told Congress FBI Agents Didn't Think Flynn Liedhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/comey_told_congress_fbi_agents_didn039t_think_flyn n_lied_434274.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ael-flynn-lied

1. House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...guilty-pleaApr 27, 2018 ... House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite ... Comey, however, denied that he ever told lawmakers agents didn't ...

**Legion** · 12-15-2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

Comey Told Congress FBI Agents Didn't Think Flynn Liedhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/comey_told_congress_fbi_agents_didn039t_think_flyn n_lied_434274.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ael-flynn-lied

1. House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...guilty-pleaApr 27, 2018 ... House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite ... Comey, however, denied that he ever told lawmakers agents didn't ...

Poor Floriduhfan.

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Legion

You don't expect a cogent answer from a convicted fraudster with a history of mental illness like her, do you?

I never expect any honest or rational conversation and or debate from the left, especially where the word "Trump" comes into the conversation. It never ceases to amaze me how some folks can simply close their minds and be brainwashed by partisan nonsense. And just think, they get that way because a proven felon Hillary Clinton got "Electoral College" trounced by The Donald.

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Althea

Finally...a moment of clarity

'Lil' Flynn was active in the illegal Flynn consulting firm. He's just as liable as his father.

Yet, there's no news of his indictment, trial and conviction that I've noticed to this day. Can you please supply that info, I'm very interested in reading all about it.

**Legion** · 12-15-2018, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

I never expect any honest or rational conversation and or debate from the left, especially where the word "Trump" comes into the conversation. It never ceases to amaze me how some folks can simply close their minds and be brainwashed by partisan nonsense. And just think, they get that way because a proven felon Hillary Clinton got "Electoral College" trounced by The Donald.

Meh, they were the same during both Bush Administrations, and the Reagan Administration, and the Nixon Administration. Hatred and intolerance are their watchwords, and using the courts to reverse election results they don't like is their modus operandi.

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by floridafan

Well, if its been reported, surely you can post a link .

Comey Told Congress FBI Agents Didn't Think Flynn Liedhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/comey_told_congress_fbi_agents_didn039t_think_flyn n_lied_434274.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ael-flynn-lied

1. House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...guilty-pleaApr 27, 2018 ... House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite ... Comey, however, denied that he ever told lawmakers agents didn't ...

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler

How long of a career did Flynn have working with intelligence?

His entire 30 year career!

Don't come here and tell me that Michael did not know the penalties for lying to the Justice Department Special Council, the FBI, CIA, or Congress!

You Trumpster Yip Yapping nutbags may be stupid, or play stupid, but everyone else is not- including Michael Flynn!

Comey Told Congress FBI Agents Didn't Think Flynn Liedhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/comey_told_congress_fbi_agents_didn039t_think_flyn n_lied_434274.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ael-flynn-lied

1. House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...guilty-pleaApr 27, 2018 ... House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite ... Comey, however, denied that he ever told lawmakers agents didn't ...

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by floridafan

The FBI did not lie to Flynn, nor did any of them ever say that Flynn did not lie to them. Mr. Flynn wouldn't plead guilty if he was innocent.

Apparently the FBI did lie to Flynn according to Flynn and his lawyers, (as corroborated by James Comey himself) . They told Flynn he didn't need a lawyer to talk to the FBI investigators because they just wanted to have a relaxed conversation with him.

**Nordberg** · 12-15-2018, 12:24 PM

True, Flynn was a child without experience and knowledge thrown into a meeting with a vicious and unfair Mueller. How could an educated and experience high ranking military man be expected to know lying to the FBI was a no no. Poor mistreated Flynn.

**Robo** · 12-15-2018, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Robo

Apparently the FBI did lie to Flynn according to Flynn and his lawyers, (as corroborated by James Comey himself) . They told Flynn he didn't need a lawyer to talk to the FBI investigators because they just wanted to have a relaxed conversation with him.