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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    Medicare for all is coming down the pike
    That’s been the goal all along.

    They think we don’t know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    That’s been the goal all along.
    They think we don’t know this.
    how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    That’s been the goal all along.

    They think we don’t know this.
    Obamacare was designed to destroy the existing system (that more than 80% of Americans were happy with, based on a fraudulent crisis) and leave nothing standing but government. That is the one inescapable conclusion anyone who actually read the bill could ever possibly reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land
    We aren't. That's how we got more than $20 trillion in debt and continue spiraling helplessly into fiscal oblivion. Again, if we would simply follow the Constitution (not that it's optional, we just don't do it, and then nobody does anything about it), all of this would promptly go away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land
    Only one way to pay for it—at the expense of something else.

    Failing that, they will be forced to restrict access to the system [which puts us back right where we started] though they dare not say that. It will produce a two-tiered system where the wealthy can skip to the front of the line because they can pay cash. It’s going to be wonderful lol.

    But fiscal fantasy is a good way to put it. We simply can’t have all the ‘free stuff’. IT WILL NOT WORK lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land
    Raise the cap on payroll taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    Only one way to pay for it—at the expense of something else.

    Failing that, they will be forced to restrict access to the system [which puts us back right where we started] though they dare not say that. It will produce a two-tiered system where the wealthy can skip to the front of the line because they can pay cash. It’s going to be wonderful lol.

    But fiscal fantasy is a good way to put it. We simply can’t have all the ‘free stuff’. IT WILL NOT WORK lol.
    Medicare isn't free.. Its single payer-private delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Obamacare was designed to destroy the existing system (that more than 80% of Americans were happy with, based on a fraudulent crisis) and leave nothing standing but government. That is the one inescapable conclusion anyone who actually read the bill could ever possibly reach.

    Bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    Obamacare was designed to destroy the existing system (that more than 80% of Americans were happy with, based on a fraudulent crisis) and leave nothing standing but government. That is the one inescapable conclusion anyone who actually read the bill could ever possibly reach.
    80% of Americans didn't have healthcare.
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Medicare isn't free.. Its single payer-private delivery.
    The taxpayers are the payer. But you’re right: the ‘free’ part is an illusion.

    Medicare for old folks is fine though. Especially, since they’ve paid into the system for decades. And if they would cut spending elsewhere it’s totally manageable. The problem is so many people want the government to provide everything from free healthcare to free tuition plus food stamps plus infrastructure plus etc.

    Why aren’t politicians who advocate for that honest about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    how are we going to pay for it? ........socialists live in fiscal fantasy land


    given how you guys grow the deficit your comment couldnt be more stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    The taxpayers are the payer. But you’re right: the ‘free’ part is an illusion.

    Medicare for old folks is fine though. Especially, since they’ve paid into the system for decades. And if they would cut spending elsewhere it’s totally manageable. The problem is so many people want the government to provide everything from free healthcare to free tuition plus food stamps plus infrastructure plus etc.

    Why aren’t politicians who advocate for that honest about it?

    Do you know what a medical school education costs in other countries.. and when those doctors take the ECFMG they score on par or higher than US doctors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    80% of Americans didn't have healthcare.
    I might as well be one of them lol.

    Ten years ago I never worried about my deductible. It’s insane now. If I crash my mountain bike and break an arm it would set me back considerably. I used to not worry about that. One of my doc buddies would fix me for free but the hospital is forced to treat employees like everyone else because reimbursements are fallen off. It used to be an unwritten benefit to have your bill waived off if you were an employee—but those days are gone.

    Thanks, Obama.

    People who have health insurance are *excluding themselves* from the market because they don’t want to pay a high deductible for the MRI that’s required before insurance will cover their elective shoulder surgery—or whatever.

    The whole system is on a steady decline. And it wasn’t like it was ‘broke’ before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Raise the cap on payroll taxes.
    eliminate EIC......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    I might as well be one of them lol.

    Ten years ago I never worried about my deductible. It’s insane now. If I crash my mountain bike and break an arm it would set me back considerably. I used to not worry about that. One of my doc buddies would fix me for free but the hospital is forced to treat employees like everyone else because reimbursements are fallen off. It used to be an unwritten benefit to have your bill waived off if you were an employee—but those days are gone.

    Thanks, Obama.

    People who have health insurance are *excluding themselves* from the market because they don’t want to pay a high deductible for the MRI that’s required before insurance will cover their elective shoulder surgery—or whatever.

    The whole system is on a steady decline. And it wasn’t like it was ‘broke’ before.
    You have completely missed the point.. The price of healthcare was increasing exponentially decades before Obama. HMOs, PPOs, various insurance carriers added more than 39% in administrative costs that have NOTHING to do with patient care.
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