Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 64

Thread: The Atlantic: The Corruption of the Republican Party

  1. #46 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    26,785
    Thanks
    9,621
    Thanked 12,003 Times in 8,030 Posts
    Groans
    2,335
    Groaned 1,672 Times in 1,550 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Follow the conversation Nomad. We were discussing the meme he posted.
    There was no "meme" and your question about "What "man" is holding you down?" had nothing to do with anything A_T said in the post you responded to.

    It was more relative to the OP, which would've fully and thoroughly answered your question, had you read it.

    I highly recommend you read it. It is 100% accurate and true.
    https://i.postimg.cc/PqVCnGks/gojoe1.jpg
    C'MON MAN!!!!

  2. #47 | Top
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    62,893
    Thanks
    3,736
    Thanked 20,386 Times in 14,102 Posts
    Groans
    2
    Groaned 649 Times in 616 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    There was no "meme" and your question about "What "man" is holding you down?" had nothing to do with anything A_T said in the post you responded to.

    It was more relative to the OP, which would've fully and thoroughly answered your question, had you read it.

    I highly recommend you read it. It is 100% accurate and true.
    Post #26 dude, not sure how you can miss it

  3. #48 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    26,785
    Thanks
    9,621
    Thanked 12,003 Times in 8,030 Posts
    Groans
    2,335
    Groaned 1,672 Times in 1,550 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Post #26 dude, not sure how you can miss it
    OK I see it now, but in order to know that, one has to go two post/replies further back.

    OTOH, the meme you referenced was related to points made in the OP. Therefore, the question you asked is still answered in the OP as I said.

    So my point still stands.

    Read the article quoted in the OP and you will find the answer to your question.
    https://i.postimg.cc/PqVCnGks/gojoe1.jpg
    C'MON MAN!!!!

  4. #49 | Top
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    11,056
    Thanks
    4,929
    Thanked 3,685 Times in 2,733 Posts
    Groans
    6
    Groaned 707 Times in 647 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    A credit to you then. There are obviously things that occur that are out of our control. And there are always exceptions but most of us have the opportunity to live the best life possible and that is ultimately incumbent upon ourselves to do so.
    Unless your Black and walking down the street with a hoodie on.

  5. #50 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    34,447
    Thanks
    23,965
    Thanked 19,108 Times in 13,083 Posts
    Groans
    0
    Groaned 5,908 Times in 5,169 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Hello Nomad,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    OK I see it now, but in order to know that, one has to go two post/replies further back.

    OTOH, the meme you referenced was related to points made in the OP. Therefore, the question you asked is still answered in the OP as I said.

    So my point still stands.

    Read the article quoted in the OP and you will find the answer to your question.
    The problem is the same as it always is when you try to get more than surface-deep.

    The concept laid out by the OP article is extremely multi-faceted, can't be bomb-dropped like a sound byte. The only people who are going to read a long article like that are those with an interest. Few conservatives have enough dedication to impartiality to read something that long which basically suggests their philosophy is doomed.
    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to PoliTalker For This Post:

    Nomad (12-15-2018)

  7. #51 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    40,213
    Thanks
    14,475
    Thanked 23,679 Times in 16,485 Posts
    Groans
    23
    Groaned 585 Times in 561 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Well fox legal expert Napolitano out and out told thee lemmings trump ordered and paid for a crime, and they don’t seem to get it. Creative
    Medical intervention. We can get an fda waiver or something.
    Gq magazine wrote a piece on it. I’m sure you have an issue next to your toilet.
    What the fuck is Gq??

  8. #52 | Top
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    73,743
    Thanks
    102,643
    Thanked 55,137 Times in 33,847 Posts
    Groans
    3,188
    Groaned 5,083 Times in 4,699 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bluedream View Post
    I admit it freely and make no apologies.

    politics is war and zero sum

    we will not compromise

    we will destroy every overreaching bureaucratic mess of an institution that we can

    liberals are enemies of america, you do not compromise with enemies.

    the only thing I disagree with is "power for the sake of power" how is ideological purity power for the sake of power? That would be the liberal cause. they have no principles, no ideology, other than fracturing america, catering to special interests, making sure those on the dole get paid, and the deconstruction of american norms and identity as a divide and conquer strategy.
    Thank you Mitch.

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to Phantasmal For This Post:

    BRUTALITOPS (12-15-2018)

  10. #53 | Top
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    land-locked in Ocala,FL
    Posts
    27,321
    Thanks
    30,862
    Thanked 16,758 Times in 11,557 Posts
    Groans
    1,063
    Groaned 889 Times in 847 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    What the fuck is Gq??
    roflmbo!

    It's a men's mag with hard-hitting pieces like:
    "How to behave (and get invited) aboard the best superyacht party at the Monaco Grand Prix
    Kim and Kanye couldn't get an invite, but maybe you can?"

    Super yacht translation.........Marina Queens forever docked inside harbors that have never seen blue water...lots of pink and purple Azimuts and the like.

    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



  11. #54 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    40,213
    Thanks
    14,475
    Thanked 23,679 Times in 16,485 Posts
    Groans
    23
    Groaned 585 Times in 561 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    roflmbo!

    It's a men's mag with hard-hitting pieces like:
    "How to behave (and get invited) aboard the best superyacht party at the Monaco Grand Prix
    Kim and Kanye couldn't get an invite, but maybe you can?"

    Super yacht translation.........Marina Queens forever docked inside harbors that have never seen blue water...lots of pink and purple Azimuts and the like.

    Stretch, you are one of my favorite people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. #55 | Top
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    62,893
    Thanks
    3,736
    Thanked 20,386 Times in 14,102 Posts
    Groans
    2
    Groaned 649 Times in 616 Posts

    Default

    What if we just cut to the chase. It's been made pretty clear that anyone who votes Republican is a racist. Democrats aren't racist so they wouldn't be accepting of former Republican votes. So should the millions who vote Republican just not vote? Or maybe all vote Libertarian? What would you like to see be done?

  13. #56 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    internet
    Posts
    39,189
    Thanks
    7,082
    Thanked 17,235 Times in 10,345 Posts
    Groans
    1,025
    Groaned 1,490 Times in 1,337 Posts
    Blog Entries
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    The fact that the HOW of it not only doesn't bother you in the least, but that you actually cheer it on, speaks volumes as to how brainwashed against the ideals America was founded upon you rotten r/w vermin are.

    And why you can't be exterminated fast enough.
    liberals don't support free speech and have tried to curb it a lot recently with censorship and safe spaces. you don't support the 2nd amendment. you let obama and the NSA spy on millions of americas violating the 4th and you didn't bat an eye. stop pretending you care about the constitution or our founding ideals, you don't.


    ---

    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Grind is basically right
    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Grind’s got you beat by miles. He is very intelligent.

  14. #57 | Top
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    land-locked in Ocala,FL
    Posts
    27,321
    Thanks
    30,862
    Thanked 16,758 Times in 11,557 Posts
    Groans
    1,063
    Groaned 889 Times in 847 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Stretch, you are one of my favorite people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    right back atcha
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Stretch For This Post:

    Sailor (12-15-2018)

  16. #58 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    26,785
    Thanks
    9,621
    Thanked 12,003 Times in 8,030 Posts
    Groans
    2,335
    Groaned 1,672 Times in 1,550 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    What the fuck is Gq??
    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    roflmbo!

    It's a men's mag with hard-hitting pieces like:
    "How to behave (and get invited) aboard the best superyacht party at the Monaco Grand Prix
    Kim and Kanye couldn't get an invite, but maybe you can?"

    Super yacht translation.........Marina Queens forever docked inside harbors that have never seen blue water...lots of pink and purple Azimuts and the like.
    GQ aka Gentleman's Quarterly, is a highly respected magazine with a long history of publishing articles, short stories and political analysis by the biggest names in the literary and political world.

    Not surprising that a slob like Failor never heard of it and a rube like Stench doesn't grasp it's status.

    Failor and Stench. Sounds like a buddy movie about two loser idiots.



    https://i.postimg.cc/PqVCnGks/gojoe1.jpg
    C'MON MAN!!!!

  17. #59 | Top
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Realville
    Posts
    31,850
    Thanks
    1,475
    Thanked 6,520 Times in 5,217 Posts
    Groans
    779
    Groaned 2,477 Times in 2,299 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Fantastic article in The Atlantic.

    Kinda long but well worth it.

    Truly hits the nail on the head.

    ********************************

    The GOP is best understood as an insurgency that carried the seeds of its own corruption from the start.

    George Packer

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/578095/

    Why has the Republican Party become so thoroughly corrupt? The reason is historical—it goes back many decades—and, in a way, philosophical. The party is best understood as an insurgency that carried the seeds of its own corruption from the start.

    I don’t mean the kind of corruption that regularly sends lowlifes like Rod Blagojevich, the Democratic former governor of Illinois, to prison. Those abuses are nonpartisan and always with us. So is vote theft of the kind we’ve just seen in North Carolina—after all, the alleged fraudster employed by the Republican candidate for Congress hired himself out to Democrats in 2010.

    And I don’t just mean that the Republican Party is led by the boss of a kleptocratic family business who presides over a scandal-ridden administration, that many of his closest advisers are facing prison time, that Donald Trump himself might have to stay in office just to avoid prosecution, that he could be exposed by the special counsel and the incoming House majority as the most corrupt president in American history. Richard Nixon’s administration was also riddled with criminality—but in 1973, the Republican Party of Hugh Scott, the Senate minority leader, and John Rhodes, the House minority leader, was still a normal organization. It played by the rules.

    The corruption I mean has less to do with individual perfidy than institutional depravity. It isn’t an occasional failure to uphold norms, but a consistent repudiation of them. It isn’t about dirty money so much as the pursuit and abuse of power—power as an end in itself, justifying almost any means. Political corruption usually trails financial scandals in its wake—the foam is scummy with self-dealing—but it’s far more dangerous than graft. There are legal remedies for Duncan Hunter, the representative from California, who will stand*trial next year for using campaign funds to pay for family luxuries. But there’s no obvious remedy for what the state legislatures of Wisconsin and Michigan, following the example of North Carolina in 2016, are now doing.

    Republican majorities are rushing to pass laws that strip away the legitimate powers of newly elected Democratic governors while defeated or outgoing Republican incumbents are still around to sign the bills. Even if the courts overturn some of these power grabs, as they have in North Carolina, Republicans will remain securely entrenched in the legislative majority through their own hyper-gerrymandering—in Wisconsin last month, 54 percent of the total votes cast for major-party candidates gave Democrats just 36 of 99 assembly seats—so they will go on passing laws to thwart election results. Nothing can stop these abuses short of an electoral landslide. In Wisconsin, a purple state, that means close to 60 percent of the total vote.

    The fact that no plausible election outcome can check the abuse of power is what makes political corruption so dangerous. It strikes at the heart of democracy. It destroys the compact between the people and the government. In rendering voters voiceless, it pushes everyone closer to the use of undemocratic means.

    Today’s Republican Party has cornered itself with a base of ever older, whiter, more male, more rural, more conservative voters. Demography can take a long time to change—longer than in progressives’ dreams—but it isn’t on the Republicans’ side. They could have tried to expand; instead, they’ve hardened and walled themselves off. This is why, while voter fraud knows no party, only the Republican Party wildly overstates the risk so that it can pass laws (including right now in Wisconsin, with a bill that reduces early voting) to limit the franchise in ways that have a disparate partisan impact. This is why, when some Democrats in the New Jersey legislature proposed to enshrine gerrymandering in the state constitution, other Democrats, in New Jersey and around the country, objected.

    Taking away democratic rights—extreme gerrymandering; blocking an elected president from nominating a Supreme Court justice; selectively paring voting rolls and polling places; creating spurious anti-fraud commissions; misusing the census to undercount the opposition; calling lame-duck legislative sessions to pass laws against the will of the voters—is the Republican Party’s main political strategy, and will be for years to come.

    Republicans have chosen contraction and authoritarianism because, unlike the Democrats, their party isn’t a coalition of interests in search of a majority. Its character is ideological. The Republican Party we know is a product of the modern conservative movement, and that movement is a series of insurgencies against the established order. Several of its intellectual founders—Whittaker Chambers and James Burnham, among others—were shaped early on by Communist ideology and practice, and their Manichean thinking, their conviction that the salvation of Western civilization depended on the devoted work of a small group of illuminati, marked the movement at its birth.

    The first insurgency was the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president in 1964. He campaigned as a rebel against the postwar American consensus and the soft middle of his own party’s leadership. Goldwater didn’t use the standard, reassuring lexicon of the big tent and the mainstream. At the San Francisco convention, he embraced extremism and denounced the Republican establishment, whose “moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” His campaign lit a fire of excitement that spread to millions of readers through the pages of two self-published prophesies of the apocalypse, Phyllis Schlafly’s*A Choice Not an Echo*and John A. Stormer’s*None Dare Call It Treason. According to these mega-sellers, the political opposition wasn’t just wrong—it was a sinister conspiracy with totalitarian goals.

    William F. Buckley—the movement’s Max Eastman, its most brilliant pamphleteer—predicted Goldwater’s landslide defeat. His candidacy, like the revolution of 1905, had come too soon, but it foretold the victory to come. At a Young Americans for Freedom convention, Buckley exhorted an audience of true-believing cadres to think beyond November: “Presuppose that the fiery little body of dissenters, of which you are a shining meteor, suddenly spun off no less than a majority of all the American people, who suddenly overcome a generation’s entrenched lassitude, suddenly penetrated to the true meaning of freedom in society where the truth is occluded by the verbose mystification of thousands of scholars, tens of thousands of books, a million miles of newsprint.” Then Goldwater’s inevitable defeat would turn into “the well planted seeds of hope, which will flower on a great November day in the future, if there is a future.”

    The insurgents were agents of history, and history was long. To avoid despair, they needed the clarity that only ideology (“the truth”) can give. The task in 1964 was to recruit and train conservative followers. Then established institutions that concealed the truth—schools, universities, newspapers, the Republican Party itself—would have to be swept away and replaced or entered and cleansed. Eventually Buckley imagined an electoral majority; but these were not the words and ideas of democratic politics, with its ungainly coalitions and unsatisfying compromises.

    During this first insurgency, the abiding contours of the movement took shape. One feature—detailed in*Before the Storm, Rick Perlstein’s account of the origins of the New Right—was liberals’ inability to see, let alone take seriously enough to understand, what was happening around the country. For their part, conservatives nursed a victim’s sense of grievance—the system was stacked against them, cabals of the powerful were determined to lock them out—and they showed more energetic interest than their opponents in the means of gaining power: mass media, new techniques of organizing, rhetoric, ideas. Finally, the movement was founded in the politics of racism. Goldwater’s strongest support came from white southerners reacting against civil rights. Even Buckley once defended Jim Crow with the claim that black Americans were too “backward” for self-government. Eventually he changed his views, but modern conservatism would never stop flirting with hostility toward whole groups of Americans. And from the start this stance opened the movement to extreme, sometimes violent fellow travelers.

    It took only 16 years, with the election of Ronald Reagan, for the movement and party to merge. During those years, conservatives hammered away at institutional structures, denouncing the established ones for their treacherous liberalism, and building alternatives, in the form of well-funded right-wing foundations, think tanks, business lobbies, legal groups, magazines, publishers, professorships. When Reagan won the presidency in 1980, the products of this “counter-establishment” (from the title of Sidney Blumenthal’s book on the subject) were ready to take power.

    Reagan commanded a revolution, but he himself didn’t have a revolutionary character. He didn’t think the public needed to be indoctrinated and organized, only heard.

    But conservatism remained an insurgent politics during the 1980s and ’90s, and the more power it amassed—in government, business, law, media—the more it set itself against the fragile web of established norms and delighted in breaking them. The second insurgency was led by Newt Gingrich, who had come to Congress two years before Reagan became president, with the avowed aim of overthrowing the established Republican leadership and shaping the minority party into a fighting force that could break Democratic rule by shattering what he called the “corrupt left-wing machine.” Gingrich liked to quote Mao’s definition of politics as “war without blood.” He made audiotapes that taught Republican candidates how to demonize the opposition with labels such as “disgrace,” “betray,” and *“traitors.” When he became speaker of the House, at the head of yet another revolution, Gingrich announced, “There will be no compromise.” How could there be, when he was leading a crusade to save American civilization from its liberal enemies?

    Even after Gingrich was driven from power, the victim of his own guillotine, he regularly churned out books that warned of imminent doom—unless America turned to a leader like him (he once called himself “teacher of the rules of civilization,” among other exalted epithets). Unlike Goldwater and Reagan, Gingrich never had any deeply felt ideology. It was hard to say exactly what “American civilization” meant to him. What he wanted was power, and what he most obviously enjoyed was smashing things to pieces in its pursuit. His insurgency started the conservative movement on the path to nihilism.

    The party purged itself of most remaining moderates, growing ever-more shallow as it grew ever-more conservative—from Goldwater (who, in 1996, joked that he had become a Republican liberal) to Ted Cruz, from Buckley to Dinesh D’Souza. Jeff Flake, the outgoing senator from Arizona (whose conservative views come with a democratic temperament),*describes*this deterioration as “a race to the bottom to see who can be meaner and madder and crazier. It is not enough to be conservative anymore. You have to be vicious.” The viciousness doesn’t necessarily reside in the individual souls of Republican leaders. It flows from the party’s politics, which seeks to delegitimize opponents and institutions, purify the ranks through purges and coups, and agitate followers with visions of apocalypse—all in the name of an ideological cause that every year loses integrity as it becomes indistinguishable from power itself.

    The third insurgency came in reaction to the election of Barack Obama—it was the Tea Party. Eight years later, it culminated in Trump’s victory, an insurgency within the party itself—because revolutions tend to be self-devouring (“I’m not willing to preside over people who are cannibals,” Gingrich declared in 1998 when he quit the House). In the third insurgency, the features of the original movement surfaced again, more grotesque than ever: paranoia and conspiracy thinking; racism and other types of hostility toward entire groups; innuendos and incidents of violence. The new leader is like his authoritarian counterparts abroad: illiberal, demagogic, hostile to institutional checks, demanding and receiving complete acquiescence from the party, and enmeshed in the financial corruption that is integral to the political corruption of these regimes. Once again, liberals failed to see it coming and couldn’t grasp how it happened. Neither could some conservatives who still believed in democracy.

    The corruption of the Republican Party in the Trump era seemed to set in with breathtaking speed. In fact, it took more than a half century to reach the point where faced with a choice between democracy and power, the party chose the latter. Its leaders don’t see a dilemma—democratic principles turn out to be disposable tools, sometimes useful, sometimes inconvenient. The higher cause is conservatism, but the highest is power. After Wisconsin Democrats swept statewide offices last month, Robin Vos, speaker of the assembly, explained why Republicans would have to get rid of the old rules: “We are going to have a very liberal governor who is going to enact policies that are in direct contrast to what many of us believe in.”

    As Bertolt Brecht wrote of East Germany’s ruling party:

    Would it not be easier

    In that case for the government

    To dissolve the people

    And elect another?

    ***********************

    The sad thing is that no matter how clear we make it to them, conservatives just cannot seem to see themselves for what they are.

    Or else they just will not admit it.
    Yawn

    Didn’t read it. Just more leftist tripe that isn’t worth the time or energy

  18. #60 | Top
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    14,239
    Thanks
    1,579
    Thanked 4,734 Times in 3,515 Posts
    Groans
    5
    Groaned 291 Times in 282 Posts
    Blog Entries
    20

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    unread trash..and I'm not even a fan of Republicans
    Isn't that what all ya'll say.

Similar Threads

  1. A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die
    By signalmankenneth in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-26-2016, 10:09 PM
  2. Republican Party doesn’t like ideas, says Republican
    By Legion Troll in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-22-2016, 07:14 AM
  3. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03-23-2012, 10:22 PM
  4. Party of corruption: dem convicted of bribery
    By Cancel 2018. 3 in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 08-05-2009, 09:15 PM
  5. Republican Corruption Continues - COnservative Media Buries It
    By Bonestorm in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 01-23-2009, 03:07 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Rules

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •