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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    that's what I thought, all ya got is horseshit big surprise

    here ya go dumbass........read and learn

    https://mic.com/articles/8272/alabam...ess#.lXriAfn0j

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12667e33492a

    ya fuckin gasbag
    What does that have to do with the OP to begin with. Nothing. And what does it have to do with you being on welfare? If anything you should be worried. At least immigrants try to work.

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    Poor bath-tub.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    This is an interesting take on the reason for a wall or real enforcement of immigration law.

    Congressional Democrats are butting heads with President Donald Trump over his demand for $5 billion to continue building a wall along the southern border. Rep. Nancy Pelosi vows not one dollar will go for a wall. She calls the idea of a wall "immoral."

    Not building the wall is what's truly immoral. Allowing destitute, uneducated people with limited job prospects to flood across the southern border into the United States forces taxpayers here to toil longer and pay more in taxes to feed and house them, accommodate their children in public schools and pay for their medical care.

    Americans are already maxed out caring for our own needy, including the homeless sprawled on city streets.

    This nation has 40 million in poverty, 1 out of every 8 people and 1 out of every 6 children. That's far higher than in Canada or Great Britain.

    Our country doesn't need to import more poverty.

    For the same reason, Trump is also proposing that only immigrants who can support themselves without government handouts be granted green cards and permanent status.

    Mayor Bill de Blasio blasted Trump's proposal as "un-American." New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said, "This plan is ugly, it is cruel."

    Really? Why should Americans be compelled to provide a safety net for throngs pressing to get into the country?

    Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman warned two decades ago that America could have open borders or a generous welfare system -- but not both. Open borders benefit a growing economy by providing a source of labor. But that works only so long as immigrants are barred from government benefits.

    Trump is tightening regulations under a longstanding law, on the books since 1882, which bars immigrants likely to need government benefits from getting permanent status. Starting with President Bill Clinton, the law has been applied so laxly that almost no one is denied a green card for that reason. A staggering 63 percent of households headed by a noncitizen depend on Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance or in some cases all of these taxpayer-funded programs, according to a December 2018 analysis of census data by Center for Immigration Studies. That's almost double what it is for American-born households.

    Right now, newly arrived legal immigrants who earn little or nothing are eligible for fully subsidized Obamacare plans, with taxpayers paying the entire bill, even for co-pays and deductibles. And 6.8 million children of immigrants are enrolled in Medicaid, according to the Urban Institute. Meanwhile, millions of American-born taxpayers who fund this giveaway to newcomers are going without insurance themselves, because they can't afford it.

    That doesn't jive with the ideal that a democracy's first duty is to protect its own citizens.

    Democratic politicians are adamant about open borders, rejecting Friedman's wise warning.

    But don't expect the American public to buy into open borders and unending handouts. That policy already bombed in Europe. Hungary and Spain have put up tall barbed wire fencing to keep out migrants from Africa and the Middle East. The British are erecting a high, unclimbable concrete wall in the seacoast town of Calais, France, to prevent migrants from jumping aboard ferries and trucks heading into the Channel tunnel. European voters have decided border walls are not immoral. They're essential.

    Europeans are also fed up with German Chancellor Angela Merkel's self-righteousness. In the summer of 2015, Merkel welcomed hundreds of thousands of migrants, and told the public to just deal. Now the public is in revolt, and shifting their politics to the right.

    This week, the United Nations announced a Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration. The United States and at least 10 other major nations wisely refused to sign on. Expect more countries to do the same.

    The international elites don't get it, but everyday people have the common sense to know you care for the poor in your own country first.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...wn_138901.html
    So that is a "reason" for building a Wall? Building a wall is the only way to stop such from occurring? This justifies a Wall as the only means to address our immigration problems or border security?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    So that is a "reason" for building a Wall? Building a wall is the only way to stop such from occurring? This justifies a Wall as the only means to address our immigration problems or border security?
    Of course not. Democrats could actually address immigration or help enforce current laws. You know damn well that will not happen though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Of course not. Democrats could actually address immigration or help enforce current laws. You know damn well that will not happen though.
    Not true, another Trump lie, the Democrats have worked on partisan efforts toward border security, nearly unanimously supporting the 1.6 Billion package passed last March

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-oppose-any-e/

    What the Democrats oppose is Trump's 6 billion dollar Wall, as do most Americans

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not true, another Trump lie, the Democrats have worked on partisan efforts toward border security, nearly unanimously supporting the 1.6 Billion package passed last March

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-oppose-any-e/

    What the Democrats oppose is Trump's 6 billion dollar Wall, as do most Americans
    Democrats are doing nothing other than trying to get future voters. If they did, there would be no such thing as sanctuary cities.

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    The existence of poverty in America is due to a deficit of will, not ability. You want to cut off of immigration and then cut social programs too. You don't give a shit about America's poor, and cutting off immigration is hardly going to increase the budget of these programs by any significant amount. Go fuck yourself, seriously. What a garbage red herring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Democrats are doing nothing other than trying to get future voters. If they did, there would be no such thing as sanctuary cities.
    Republicans are doing nothing other than trying to block people they think will vote against them. It is you who are proposing changing the status quo, not us.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by You thought it was View Post
    The existence of poverty in America is due to a deficit of will, not ability. You want to cut off of immigration and then cut social programs too. You don't give a shit about America's poor, and cutting off immigration is hardly going to increase the budget of these programs by any significant amount. Go fuck yourself, seriously. What a garbage red herring.
    I can see here is another dumb fuck far left product of the public school system that did not read the OP. Obviously to long. Give it a try.

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    Why the hell should noncitizens who pay taxes be prohibited from our national health system? So you tax them to pay for Americans healthcare and then they have to buy totally unsubsidized health plans on top of that? Just let them participate in the system. Their taxes are what pays for it. Britain doesn't ban noncitizens from using the NHS. It would be pointless and cruel. What garbage. Again, you are just being cruel for the sake of cruelty. This will hardly do anything anyway, and you aren't proposing to use any savings to fund the poor. No you want to send it to the rich. So go fuck yourself. Immigrants are not the straw that's breaking the camels back. That's a red herring diversion. America is more than able to fund our already barebones welfare system, it's just that the rich (and you, after reading their propaganda) would rather buy a yacht instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Democrats are doing nothing other than trying to get future voters. If they did, there would be no such thing as sanctuary cities.
    Then how is it that Obama deported many more illegals than Trump has, actually, more than any other President in American history, seems pretty self defeating if they are "doing nothing than trying to get future voters"

    https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-imm...a-trump-585726

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I can see here is another dumb fuck far left product of the public school system that did not read the OP. Obviously to long. Give it a try.
    I could wipe my ass with a piece of paper and it would have more intellectual value than if you printed this on it instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Then how is it that Obama deported many more illegals than Trump has, actually, more than any other President in American history, seems pretty self defeating if they are "doing nothing than trying to get future voters"

    https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-imm...a-trump-585726
    America's immigration enforcement has never been tighter or harsher than it is now in history. The Republicans want to change the status quo and impose total isolationism because they fear they can't win the votes of immigrants. They project this fear on us and accuse of of just wanting more voters by evilly... keeping the fucking status quo.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Then how is it that Obama deported many more illegals than Trump has, actually, more than any other President in American history, seems pretty self defeating if they are "doing nothing than trying to get future voters"

    https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-imm...a-trump-585726
    Obama? He is not in the loop anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You thought it was View Post
    I could wipe my ass with a piece of paper and it would have more intellectual value than if you printed this on it instead.
    Translation: I cannot read the OP. To complicated. You may go now.

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