Where would you rank Donald Trump amongst the greatest or worst US Presidents ever?

[LV426]

I never said I was a moderate, I am just not a Repub or Dem. Moderates do not have strong views, I have very strong views...they just do not align with either party.

You have very strong Conservative views that you're trying to re-frame with a brand new ID.

I see right through it.

[LV426]

Scaled back in Afghanistan? really? After he almost tripped the number there. you really are a clueless.

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Your own fucking chart shows that by the end of Obama's term, there were fewer troops in Afghanistan than there were when he took office.

[LV426]

As I said, I am what I am. I doubt many people will accept it, most people cannot think outside of the two party spectrum, to them everything is "lib vs Con" or "left vs right".
I do not blame them too much, it is the way they have been raised, it is what the government wants...a divided populous is easier to control.
That is the reason why the sheep from both sides are fighting over what I am...both of them want to label me part of the other side.
It is funny as hell to watch. normally it does not happen in the same thread...this is great!

See, Gunny2009 is a Conservative who previously on this board went all-in with Conservatism. Most likely spreading propaganda like #Walkaway or predicting a #RedWave. When neither happened, gunny2009 got panicked and decided to ditch the old ID and create a brand new one to basically start over with a new persona. It's a persona carefully crafted to provide as much breadth and width as possible in order to continue conveying Conservative ideas, but doing so as an "above it all" "both sider".

It's Gunny's way of avoiding accountability for being a Conservative fool.

[LV426]

Here is my POTUS voting record for my adult life...

Johnson - 2016
Johnson - 2012
Barr - 2008
Badnarik - 2004
Browne - 2000
Perot. - 1996
Clinton - 1992
Bush I - 1988
Reagan - 1984

I am a small government, more personal freedom person. A live and let live motto.

I am vehemently against deficit spending unless there is an emergency. This past FY we added 1.27 trillion to the national debt in the middle of a "booming economy"...that is totally unacceptable.

I am also against any laws designed to keep us safe from ourselves....seat belt laws, helmet laws, smoking bans and the like. I think that prostitution should be legal, if someone can get paid to have sex in front of a camera...then they should be able to without one.

I am think that pot should be as legal as beer.

I think that churches should not be tax exempt and I think that the government should not be in the marriage business.

And a lot of other things that do not fit in either party..

Notice how superficial this declaration of principles is.

It stakes out positions without explaining why.

It's obvious why that context is absent; it's all posturing bullshit.

Gunny2009 was a Conservative on this forum that was adamant about his Trumpist Conservatism. He went all-in with Trump and Conservatives, spreading propaganda like #Walkaway or #RedWave, and grew tired of posters re-posting the bad predictions and mistaken positions. So to soothe his fragile ego, he created a brand new ID where he can reframe his Conservative positions as genuine, careful considerations of the facts.

Ask him what he thinks caused the massive deficit spike, he will say "spending is the problem".

[Truth Detector]

I am vehemently against deficit spending unless there is an emergency. This past FY we added 1.27 trillion to the national debt in the middle of a "booming economy"...that is totally unacceptable.

You can thank Obamacare for most of this.

[Nordberg]

Trump is setting the bar for the worst president of all time. He has no respect for the law of institutions. He just does what he wants and defies you to stop him. He has no political or international understanding of how nations, allies and enemies have worked to stop conflict. Trump is at a point where he might think he needs a war to rally the people behind him. He would have no trouble doing it. This is a terrrible disaster going on. Just hope we survive it.

[LV426]

Trump is setting the bar for the worst president of all time. He has no respect for the law of institutions. He just does what he wants and defies you to stop him. He has no political or international understanding of how nations, allies and enemies have worked to stop conflict. Trump is at a point where he might think he needs a war to rally the people behind him. He would have no trouble doing it. This is a terrrible disaster going on. Just hope we survive it.

One thing's for sure...Conservatives will be saying that they never supported Trump the moment he leaves the Oval Office.

[Gunny2009]

You can thank Obamacare for most of this.

Please explain how ObamaCare added 1.27 trillion dollars to the deficit the FY that just ended.

[Gunny2009]

Notice how superficial this declaration of principles is.

It stakes out positions without explaining why.

It's obvious why that context is absent; it's all posturing bullshit.

Gunny2009 was a Conservative on this forum that was adamant about his Trumpist Conservatism. He went all-in with Trump and Conservatives, spreading propaganda like #Walkaway or #RedWave, and grew tired of posters re-posting the bad predictions and mistaken positions. So to soothe his fragile ego, he created a brand new ID where he can reframe his Conservative positions as genuine, careful considerations of the facts.

Ask him what he thinks caused the massive deficit spike, he will say "spending is the problem".

You have a very active imagination, I will give you that.

Actually I explained why I hold those views when I said this....I am a small government, more personal freedom person. A live and let live motto.

Spending is the problem dumb shit, we spend more than we bring in, a fuck ton more. But you are ok with that because you will not have to deal with the consequences, you will be dead and gone and my children and grandchildren will be paying for you to be a freeloader.

[montgomery]

Trump is the absolute worst of all the presidents and a complete embarrassment to America. But we should never forget that America has the capacity to outdo itself as the division of the country grows even more egregious.

Imagine! A no-mind piece of shit such as Sarah Palin becoming VP, then being in line for the presidency!

If Trump was possible, there's little doubt that Americans could have made the Palin Kunht the pres! How sick! The greatest country in the world? So was the Roman empire.

[christiefan915]

Donald Trump ranked as the worst President in US history - according to political scientists

"According to political scientists, Donald Trump is the worst President in US history. What do you guys think?
Donald Trump ranks as the worst president in United States history, according to a survey of political scientists.

All presidents were ranked in the 2018 Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey. Experts part of the Presidents and Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association were asked to rank each president on a scale of 0-100.

Trump earned the lowest average score – 12.34. Abraham Lincoln"

Would you rank him above or below Hillary, Obama etc

Rock bottom. And I never thought anybody could be worse than bush43.

[christiefan915]

I'd rank him 47th or 48th.

[Frank Apisa]

You have a very active imagination, I will give you that.

Actually I explained why I hold those views when I said this....I am a small government, more personal freedom person. A live and let live motto.

Spending is the problem dumb shit, we spend more than we bring in, a fuck ton more. But you are ok with that because you will not have to deal with the consequences, you will be dead and gone and my children and grandchildren will be paying for you to be a freeloader.

If "spending is the problem"...it is because we do NOT SPEND ENOUGH...on things we need. We need to spend more...MUCH MORE...on infrastructure...and on GREATLY EXPANDING safety net programs.

[PoliTalker]

Obama is number 8. Right behind Eisenhower, Truman, the Roosevelts, Jefferson, Lincoln and Washington.

Trump is rated as the worst President ever by the NYT:

44th out of 44

What a DISGRACE!

[Gunny2009]

If "spending is the problem"...it is because we do NOT SPEND ENOUGH...on things we need. We need to spend more...MUCH MORE...on infrastructure...and on GREATLY EXPANDING safety net programs.

Everybody just wants to keep spending our kids and grandkids money...more more more...but do not make me pay for it...that is the motto of the day.