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    Default What is the difference between the old and new covenant ? Frank

    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.
    Under the new testament we are not bound to hate, we are bound by love. Jesus died for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.
    You tell me, Wolverine.

    Is there a particular sentence in "the new covenant" that says you are to disregard the wishes of the god of the Bible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Under the new testament we are not bound to hate, we are bound by love. Jesus died for that.
    Under the New Testament...you are bound to accept the words of Jesus.

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."

    Matthew 5: 17ff


    Nearly as I can tell...the Earth has not passed away...so ALL of the laws are still in effect. Leviticus...is the law.

    Leviticus tells us what offends the god of the Bible...and how much it offends it.

    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
    put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
    lives." Leviticus 20:13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.
    There is no "new" testament

    The Formation and Creation of the Bible's New Testament


    http://www.humanreligions.info/creat...testament.html


    And the goyim's understanding of the Hebrew Tanakh is laughable at best

    The Tanakh has nothing to do with the goyim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    You tell me, Wolverine.

    Is there a particular sentence in "the new covenant" that says you are to disregard the wishes of the god of the Bible?
    Jesus himself disregarded the dietary laws, when he said it's not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out. Also did he not handle working on the Sabath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Under the New Testament...you are bound to accept the words of Jesus.

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."

    Matthew 5: 17ff


    Nearly as I can tell...the Earth has not passed away...so ALL of the laws are still in effect. Leviticus...is the law.

    Leviticus tells us what offends the god of the Bible...and how much it offends it.
    “If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”

    — Golda Meir

    Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.


    “If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."






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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    There is no "new" testament

    The Formation and Creation of the Bible's New Testament


    http://www.humanreligions.info/creat...testament.html


    And the goyim's understanding of the Hebrew Tanakh is laughable at best

    The Tanakh has nothing to do with the goyim
    Whatever, we are going under the understanding that the new testament is real because it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Yeah you posted this garbage by a non believing Jew another time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.
    Are you a christian? Shut up.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Under the new testament we are not bound to hate, we are bound by love. Jesus died for that.
    What is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Jesus himself disregarded the dietary laws, when he said it's not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out. Also did he not handle working on the Sabath?
    jews and muslims agree

    “If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”

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    Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.


    “If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."






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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Jesus himself disregarded the dietary laws, when he said it's not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out. Also did he not handle working on the Sabath?
    Whoa!

    Are you saying Jesus lied when he said what he did in Matthew 5:17?

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."



    Matthew 5: 17ff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Am I bound by the old Testament to kill homosexuals or are we in a period of grace.
    The Old Testament tells you it’s OK to refuse service to gays. Show us that same sentiment in the NT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Whoa!

    Are you saying Jesus lied when he said what he did in Matthew 5:17?

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."



    Matthew 5: 17ff
    Jesus fulfilled the law!
    We see the first pointer of how things have changed dramatically in Matthew 5:17 where Jesus says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” So all the Old Testament finds its completion and fulfillment in Jesus — and that is a basic truth that a person needs to understand. Everything in the Old Testament was pointing toward Jesus as the Son of God incarnate, dying and rising to save his people. And, therefore, in his person, in his ministry, the whole Old Testament reaches a climax and is dramatically altered.

    The Bible spells out many of the specifics of this dramatic alteration. For example, the book of Hebrews is probably the classic place for showing how the old covenant has become obsolete with the coming of the new covenant. Hebrews 8:13 says, “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” And, for example, the death of Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice for sins so that the entire Old Testament sacrificial system of offering animals comes to an end.

    Hebrews 7:27 and 9:12 say Jesus is the final Lamb of God. The whole Old Testament sacrificial system is over. It doesn’t apply anymore. Another example from Hebrews is that Jesus himself offers the sacrifice of himself and therefore Jesus is the final Priest. And you don’t need any more priests. And so the entire Old Testament priesthood is removed. It is over. We have one, new, final, eternal High Priest, Jesus Christ.

    A third example is that Jesus saw himself as the new temple. “If you destroy this temple, I will build it in three days” (John 2:19). And he meant, I will rise from the dead in three days. So when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, the place of worship for Christians was not destroyed, because we don’t have a place for worship that is limited geographically. We have Jesus. And any place Jesus is, we can worship.

    So all of those specifics are how the old covenant was becoming obsolete. And dramatic changes came about and hundreds of commands in the Old Testament don’t apply to Christians anymore, because this new phase of redemptive history has come.

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