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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Thanks for the explanation.

    From the US point of view, we support a united Europe, a counterweight to China and Russia and the Middle East. A United Europe is similar to North America as a beacon for Western Values like Democratic Governments versus Authoritarian Regimes.
    I'm not sure where you arrived at or was able to conclude the "we" part; but from a US point of view, it would seen that the US would support the rights of each individual country to decide their own destiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    I'm not sure where you arrived at or was able to conclude the "we" part; but from a US point of view, it would seen that the US would support the rights of each individual country to decide their own destiny.
    I think that is what they did when they formed the EU.
    Do you think Wales, Scotland or England would be a more formidable Entity in the Modern Global World as individual Countries?
    How about Kansas, Alabama, or New Jersey?

    Whether you like it or not, we are in a Global World, a Global Village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Doucheland needs to be checked, and Brexit is one of the best challenges to it. Hopefully it will lead to another vote in the Netherlands.

    Yeah, maybe we could have another land war in Europe. China and Russia could sell arms to both sides? (Did you note that was one of the things Tranquillus pointed out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah, maybe we could have another land war in Europe. China and Russia could sell arms to both sides? (Did you note that was one of the things Tranquillus pointed out)
    War,Capitalisms best friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot Frank View Post
    War,Capitalisms best friend.
    Between Autocratic Russia and Autocratic China, ... Cool.
    Between Europeans and Democratic Values, ... not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I think that is what they did when they formed the EU.
    Do you think Wales, Scotland or England would be a more formidable Entity in the Modern Global World as individual Countries?
    How about Kansas, Alabama, or New Jersey?

    Whether you like it or not, we are in a Global World, a Global Village.
    The US was formed by all the states within our borders and a couple outside of them; whereas the EU is trying to take numerous CONTRIES and hoping the different Governments will surrender their individuality.

    It seems like some of those Countries have decided that they don't want to surrender that individuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    The US was formed by all the states within our borders and a couple outside of them; whereas the EU is trying to take numerous CONTRIES and hoping the different Governments will surrender their individuality.

    It seems like some of those Countries have decided that they don't want to surrender that individuality.
    The only 'Borders' were Colonial Borders between the different Colonies. They surrendered their autonomy to create a larger Union of the various colonies.

    European States are unions of various little Kingdoms that came together. They are way ahead of the US in knowing how to 'Unificate'.

    Would you have a meltdown if Canada and the US became a unified Country one day?

    The EU Countries can decide if they want to secede or not, looks like Britain decided to exit, we'll see how that turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The only 'Borders' were Colonial Borders between the different Colonies. They surrendered their autonomy to create a larger Union of the various colonies.

    European States are unions of various little Kingdoms that came together. They are way ahead of the US in knowing how to 'Unificate'.

    Would you have a meltdown if Canada and the US became a unified Country one day?

    The EU Countries can decide if they want to secede or not, looks like Britain decided to exit, we'll see how that turns out.
    Are you saying that a "colony" equates to Countries that already had their own Government, laws, money, etc, and had been independent for 100s of years; because your inference that they were "little Kingdoms" is amusing?

    It's looking like GB may not be the last "EU Country" to reclaim their individuality and you're correct; because we will see.
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    Here's what a true Socialist thought of the EU, sadly Tony Benn is no longer with us or he'd certainly have been speaking out vociferously for Brexit.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...rdon-brown-spt

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Are you saying that a "colony" equates to Countries that already had their own Government, laws, money, etc, and had been independent for 100s of years; because your inference that they were "little Kingdoms" is amusing?

    It's looking like GB may not be the last "EU Country" to reclaim their individuality and you're correct; because we will see.
    "When the United States announced its independence from Great Britain in 1776, Central Europe was a fragmented area of roughly 300 sovereign, independent states (kingdoms, duchies, principalities, free cities, etc.). The German states were bound together in a loose political entity known as the Holy Roman Empire, which dated to the era of Charlemagne in the 800s. By the late eighteenth century, the Holy Roman Empire was, as Voltaire remarked, “Neither holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.”
    https://history.state.gov/countries/...an-unification

    In my view, Europe as a whole is better than Europe as a group of fragmented and disorganized entities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "When the United States announced its independence from Great Britain in 1776, Central Europe was a fragmented area of roughly 300 sovereign, independent states (kingdoms, duchies, principalities, free cities, etc.). The German states were bound together in a loose political entity known as the Holy Roman Empire, which dated to the era of Charlemagne in the 800s. By the late eighteenth century, the Holy Roman Empire was, as Voltaire remarked, “Neither holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.”
    https://history.state.gov/countries/...an-unification

    In my view, Europe as a whole is better than Europe as a group of fragmented and disorganized entities.
    Keep in mind that the closest attempts at European unification prior to the EU were Napoleon and Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    When the United States announced its independence from Great Britain in 1776 ...
    ... Great Britain was a unified nation with a history, laws and constitutional development going back many centuries. The rebellious Americans insisted that they were fighting for their traditional rights as Englishmen.

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    "Globalism " Bd #2
    Nationalism

    Reductio ad absurdum:
    Why be an employee, earning $money for someone else, when you can employ yourself, and earn your own money for yourself?

    Follow your argument to its extreme conclusion, and we each end up cudgel-wielding barbarians, clawing out subsistence survival from the wilderness.

    There's another name for industry, for economics, for banking, for profit-making organizations, for the U.S. military, and even (believe it or not) congress. That alternate name is "team work".

    And for anyone that wishes to assert that we're better off as individuals than we are as a team, I recommend that you immediately implement a NASA grade space program and fly yourself to the moon.
    We did it together. It's already done!
    If you think we're better off on our own, then you do that. Then we can talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    ... Great Britain was a unified nation with a history, laws and constitutional development going back many centuries. The rebellious Americans insisted that they were fighting for their traditional rights as Englishmen.
    Thanks.

    My point to USF is that the EU is better as a 'united Europe' rather than a bunch of fragmented small countries.
    Authoritarian countries like China, Russia, and the Middle East region are GAINING Power, while historic 'Western Civilization' countries (those that embrace Democracy and Freedom and Liberty) are in a holding pattern.

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