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    Default Rex Tillerson to Trump: Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can't

    Since being fired by President Donald Trump as secretary of state, Rex Tillerson has kept a very low profile. But on Thursday night in Houston, Tillerson broke that silence in a big way.

    Here's how he described the "why" behind the breakdown of his relationship with the President, according to the Houston Chronicle:
    "So often, the President would say here's what I want to do and here's how I want to do it and I would have to say to him, Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can't do it that way. It violates the law."
    Um, what???

    The President of the United States would tell the secretary of state how he wanted things done and the secretary of state would have to tell him it couldn't be done the way he wanted because that was illegal?
    This is all fine!
    What's scary about Tillerson's admission? A few things.
    1) Trump either doesn't know the law or doesn't care about the law
    2) This isn't the first time we've heard of this sort of I-am-the-law, Judge Dredd-like behavior from the President.
    On that second point, remember that former FBI director James Comey has testified -- under oath -- that Trump, in a one-on-one meeting, asked him to put aside the Justice Department investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn. The President publicly pressured then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to take up an investigation of Hillary Clinton's email server. (Clinton was not charged in a previous FBI investigation.)
    Time and time again -- particularly in his interactions with the Justice Department -- Trump has shown that he has zero understanding of the limits of his job.
    Tillerson described Trump as "a man who's undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things but rather says 'this is what I believe.'"
    That approach is broadly in keeping with Trump's experience in the private sector. In business, he largely did what he wanted -- rules (and consequences) be damned. If things went bad, the penalty, usually, was bankruptcy -- and Trump believed he could just deal and talk his way out of that sort of thing.

    The idea that Tillerson, Sessions and the rest of the administration ultimately serve a) the people of the country and b) the rule of law is seemingly lost on Trump.
    Need more evidence? Trump never forgave Sessions for recusing himself from the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Why? "Jeff Sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses himself, which frankly I think is very unfair to the President," Trump told The New York Times in July 2017. "It's extremely unfair -- and that's a mild word -- to the President."
    That Sessions recused himself to prevent any perception of bias in the investigation -- you know, for the good of the country and all that -- was totally lost on Trump. His only reaction to the situation was: This is bad for me, and so Sessions shouldn't have done it.
    Which, really, says it all.
    Trump's total ignorance of the law -- whether willful or just from sheer obtuseness -- is, at this point, a defining characteristic of his presidency. He simply doesn't get that there are limits on his power, limits put in place to preserve the office of the presidency -- and the broader institutions of our democracy.
    The Point: We have a President who, according to his one-time FBI director and his first secretary of state, repeatedly proposed ideas that were in violation of established laws. Sit with that for a minute.

    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post

    "So often, the President would say here's what I want to do and here's how I want to do it and I would have to say to him, Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can't do it that way. It violates the law."
    Um, what???
    I'm not questioning the veracity of the OP but could you give specific examples of what Trump wanted to do that was illegal? Otherwise I do have to question the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I'm not questioning the veracity of the OP but could you give specific examples of what Trump wanted to do that was illegal? Otherwise I do have to question the OP.
    Which Day?


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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I'm not questioning the veracity of the OP but could you give specific examples of what Trump wanted to do that was illegal? Otherwise I do have to question the OP.
    I don't know because I'm not Rex Tillerson. But of course you have to question the OP because it doesn't fit comfortably in your preconceived beliefs.
    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    But of course you have to question the OP because it doesn't fit comfortably in your preconceived beliefs.
    I don 't know what my preconceived beliefs are but good to know you do. What are they? I'm curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Which Day?
    Thursday last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Thursday last week.

    What Time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    What Time?
    10:42 a.m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Which Day?


    Here's the Short List: https://www.needtoimpeach.com/impeachable-offenses/
    Wow, that's quite a list. Why hasn't he been impeached yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    10:42 a.m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Wow, that's quite a list. Why hasn't he been impeached yet?

    Investigation is ongoing ...

    Gotta get everyone this time ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I don 't know what my preconceived beliefs are but good to know you do. What are they? I'm curious.
    Trump is stupid and too lazy to learn, but he's always coasted along because his father had so much money. He's incorrigible.. There is no fixing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I don 't know what my preconceived beliefs are but good to know you do. What are they? I'm curious.
    Like I said, I don't know what was illegal. Go ask Rex.
    Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I don 't know what my preconceived beliefs are but good to know you do. What are they? I'm curious.
    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Trump is stupid and too lazy to learn, but he's always coasted along because his father had so much money. He's incorrigible.. There is no fixing it.
    I'm actually hoping someone comes along and unseats him. His personality is too overwhelming for me.
    I'm just afraid dims will put up a propped up Hillary, Occassional-Cortex, David Hogg , anyone from California or someone comparable. I'm always open to dem candidates but the ones I like never stand a chance. Of course repubs haven't nominated anyone I liked since Dole so there's that.
    What's that got to do with what my preconceived beliefs are? I'm still curious as to what they are..

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