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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Race was entirely the motivating factor behind Conservative opposition to Obama. Without a doubt, race played the key part. That's why Conservatives were suddenly opposed to things like the individual mandate and cap-and-trade when Obama proposed them. Had nothing to do with Obama's party affiliation and everything to do with his race.
    Wrong and moronic. You race hustling dumbfucks are all the same, you all have extremely low IQ's.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    by keeping interest rates low.
    The problem with most of what cawacko argues is that he hasn't bothered to do the necessary research to support his arguments. So he ends up repeating nonsense he's gleaned off message boards because it's easier and safer for him than actually doing the work.

    During the Bush Mortgage Bubble, interest rates started rising in 2004, which was the same year the subprime mortgage bubble started. It wasn't the interest rates that made subprimes go from 133,000 issued a year to 266,000 issued a year, it was the relaxing of lending standards that did that. And the only reason those standards were weakened was because Bush wanted to artificially inflate a housing market to make the economy look like it was growing as a result of his tax cuts, when it was really growing as a result of debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    By not/barely raising them?
    They dont raise them just to raise them Homer. There has to be a reason which is normally inflation. Up until recently there was no inflation to speak of. Get an elfin clue to what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Its been at least 4 years since the Fed did anything to keep interest rates low, you need better excuses than what you offered. As it is you are confusing the stock market with home ownership, a reasonable error for a neophyte.
    You are incorrect. The Fed started raising rates 3 years ago, not four. Even then, the fed funds rate was still 0.75% when Obama left office.

    Currently it is back up to 2%. Also, he is not confusing the housing market with the stock market. He is correct in what he stated. Lower borrowing costs boosted the markets... both housing and stock markets. As you see debt become more expensive, it slows the growth rate of both.

    But thanks for showing who the neophyte actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    The only thing fair enough is that you aint got a single clue about what you pretend to know anything about. How has the Fed kept interest rates low over the past 4++ years?
    http://www.fedprimerate.com/fedfunds...te_history.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Did you neglect to mention that the market has done absolutely nothing for close to a year. What happened in 2016 was yesterday, what has he done today, this year?
    So fucking what????!!! It's up over 5,139 points you brain dead moron. You think markets don't adjust after massive increases? There is nothing factual about this threads premise you buffoon. Grow a fucking brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    The problem with most of what cawacko argues is that he hasn't bothered to do the necessary research to support his arguments. So he ends up repeating nonsense he's gleaned off message boards because it's easier and safer for him than actually doing the work.

    During the Bush Mortgage Bubble, interest rates started rising in 2004, which was the same year the subprime mortgage bubble started. It wasn't the interest rates that made subprimes go from 133,000 issued a year to 266,000 issued a year, it was the relaxing of lending standards that did that. And the only reason those standards were weakened was because Bush wanted to artificially inflate a housing market to make the economy look like it was growing as a result of his tax cuts, when it was really growing as a result of debt.
    Hey Einstein, do you recognize we are in the year 2018 and talking about the current housing bubble and its effect on today's stock market.

    But great to watch you try and defend Greenspan for his mismanagement of the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    You are incorrect. The Fed started raising rates 3 years ago, not four. Even then, the fed funds rate was still 0.75% when Obama left office.

    Currently it is back up to 2%. Also, he is not confusing the housing market with the stock market. He is correct in what he stated. Lower borrowing costs boosted the markets... both housing and stock markets. As you see debt become more expensive, it slows the growth rate of both.

    But thanks for showing who the neophyte actually is.
    try again that want what I said homer.

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    thank you, FF clearly hasn't researched this

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Ahhh, looks who's back. Since reading is fundamental we were talking about the current housing bubble and today's stock market
    Today's stock market is shitty and flat YTD. That's not because of Housing, QE or the Fed; it's because your shitty tax cut didn't deliver on the promises made of it.


    But it's quite ironic that you blame deregulation for the '08 crash yet can't bring yourself to mention Bill Clinton who signed the partial repeal of Glass-Steagal and the deregulation of derivatives. But that's because you are a dishonest hack.
    If repealing G-S did what you claim it did, then the subprime bubble that crashed the economy would have appeared immediately. But it didn't until 2004. So it wasn't the repeal of G-S that caused the subprime mortgage bubble to appear, it was your deregulation that did that.

    So please explain where in G-S repeal it said banks could lower lending standards for subprime loans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    They dont raise them just to raise them Homer. There has to be a reason which is normally inflation. Up until recently there was no inflation to speak of. Get an elfin clue to what you are talking about.
    SMH, you just asked how they keep them low. They keep them low by not raising them. Not a difficult concept.

    Are you of the belief rates can be kept at basically zero forever and there will be no negative repercussions down the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Today's stock market is shitty and flat YTD. That's not because of Housing, QE or the Fed; it's because your shitty tax cut didn't deliver on the promises made of it.




    If repealing G-S did what you claim it did, then the subprime bubble that crashed the economy would have appeared immediately. But it didn't until 2004. So it wasn't the repeal of G-S that caused the subprime mortgage bubble to appear, it was your deregulation that did that.

    So please explain where in G-S repeal it said banks could lower lending standards for subprime loans?
    So you didn't even look at the OP. Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    So you don't have a clue what's being discussed. Fair enough
    You seem to be the confused one here, pal. You glean things off message boards, don't do the research yourself, then dig in your heels in a bad position because you don't want to admit you're bullshitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So fucking what????!!! It's up over 5,139 points you brain dead moron. You think markets don't adjust after massive increases? There is nothing factual about this threads premise you buffoon. Grow a fucking brain.
    Poor baby, markets do adjust they make take days weeks or a couple of months, but not a fucking year. You NEVER saw this horrendous performance during the Obama administration. Making this far worse, is the tax cut which was supposed to spur the economy. The stock market tells us it did nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So it wasn't the repeal of G-S that caused the subprime mortgage bubble to appear, it was your deregulation that did that.
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