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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Get this straight all you right wing wanks that are spitting out the party line about taxing being bad , are wrong. These companies use this countries infrastructure and this countries markets to become wealthy as do the people who become wealthy, they owe this country big time. They have to pay, and I mean more, not less.
    They already pay the overwhelming majority of the taxes. How much more do you want? What moral directive gives you the right to other people's property?
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    Hello Kacper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Could cap the amount of gains eligible for special treatment. Could force employers to create portable investment accounts as part of payroll. The justification for the special treatment of long term gains is that the money is often already taxed and it is being retaxed without indexing for inflation. Eliminate them and you will see growing demands for eliminating the corporate taxes on dividends.
    Taxing the rich more will generate more revenue. Same income, higher tax, more revenue. The government needs more revenue. Revenue is insufficient to meet expenditures. The entire deficit is added onto the debt each year.

    We've got a big country, getting bigger all the time. More people, more spending, bigger economy. Our government must grow to keep up with that. And consider; our government has grown constantly throughout our history. As our government has grown, so has our economy. Everything we have now, our whole country, our giant government that tries to be everything to everyone, all our people, everything we've built; all of it, it all happened as we let government grow to the size it is today. Big government has not hurt us. I honestly don't know what the problem is for the right. My taxes are about as low as I can remember. So are everybody's. The rich have had their taxes cut to a THIRD of what they once were. We've got it good.

    We've got it good and part of the problem is we have it a little too good. We have not paid in as much as we have spent. We are short. So we need to cover that. We have to pay for yesterday's bills. We can't blow this off. It's our collective debt. We, the people, are responsible for that debt. It's all ours. Nobody else's.

    The only possible time we can begin to pay that down is when our economy is doing well. We certainly can't do it during a recession.

    The trust that the world has in the United States, our 'credit,' is on the line. And this is important, because world approval of the USA has been falling. We have to pay down our debt. We have to make good on our word.

    Hello.

    Does any of this make any sense.

    Now is the time to tax the rich more, and now is the time for them to pay for the great country which has favored them so well.

    Uncle Sam is proud to be the economic playground of our most advantaged citizens. But Uncle Sam needs a little help. Surely these fine people can do what it takes. Really, they are the only ones who could afford to do it without crashing the economy. And we need the economy to pay for what we've spent. So it's got to be the rich. We've got to tax the rich more. Just simple logic. Sorry, rich people. We know it won't hurt you that much. We know you have so much money that your lifestyle will not be affected the least by the required level of taxation. And just think of the awesome sense of accomplishment of being part of the wise ones who gave what they could for their nation, if not their lives, some of their money. (We know some people think the money is more important.)

    The math works. We can tax the rich enough to begin paying down the debt.

    We could all pay a little bit more tax. But the rich need to haul the heaviest part of the load. It's the only way to shore up world trust in the USA, something it sorely needs about now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montgomery View Post
    According to supplyside economics, Reaganomics, or trickle down economics, tax decreases are the answer. You should try to develop your argument. There are lots of us who can have some fun with it! You really are a stupid fukking wanker aren't you!
    Again, I ask you. When did increasing taxes ever help anyone? I can give plenty of examples where tax CUTS have helped the economy. Even one of your Democrat hero's did it. Can you guess who? And it resulted in a booming ecconomy and increased revenue for the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    How has that affected or improved the lot of the poor??
    NOW THAT'S A REAL INTELLIGENT QUESTION , IT FED THEM AND THEIR FAMILY AND KEPT A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS , IT HELP PAY FOR EMERGENCY'S AND ILLNESSES AND JUST BAD TIMES THAT COMES TO EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY.YOUR RIDICULOUS. JUST AS A SAFETY NET IS SUPPOSE TO DO.

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    Lets make business pay a livable wage in this country , then I don't have to help a family that has two parents working full time and still not have enough to feed their family and to keep a roof over their heads. We could start there and that would take care of more then half the problem. We just have to squeeze more grease out of the fat in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    The only way that a very small group of people can get all the massive profits of this country for 45 years as is the case in this country is done with tax law, tax rates. No one deserves it all and somehow the right thinks they should.
    So you should be the decider of what is fair snowflake? This is why the liberal ideology is a massive failure; it begins with this notion that the economic pie is somehow finite and requires political apparatchiks to be the deciders of what is good and fair.

    This has failed massively in the Soviet Union, in China, in Cuba and currently in Venezuela. You liberal morons need to find a way to extract your collective heads from your asses and get educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tff View Post
    At least we're not pretentious. Like those people who are make less than average and consider themselves to be big earners? Those who are mad as hell because they have to pay $4,000 a year in federal income tax, and believe a flat tax is the solution to their problem? Continue on with your false assumption of excellence.
    Another ignorant pile of liberal bile. You leftists are quite full of it. How is that theory working in Venezuela snowflake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,
    Taxing the rich more will generate more revenue. Same income, higher tax, more revenue. The government needs more revenue. Revenue is insufficient to meet expenditures. The entire deficit is added onto the debt each year.
    One need read no further than this moronic garbage to see why liberals are the dumbest most gullible morons on the planet.

    Yes moron; that worked so well in the former Soviet Union, Cuba and now Venezuela. Dunce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Lets make business pay a livable wage in this country , then I don't have to help a family that has two parents working full time and still not have enough to feed their family and to keep a roof over their heads. We could start there and that would take care of more then half the problem. We just have to squeeze more grease out of the fat in this country.
    Another asinine meme; the "living wage" theory of leftist dunces. So who will be the "decider" of what is a "living wage" snowflake; YOU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    With the right going after every safety net from SS ,medicare, Medicaid ,food support ,housing support, disability , generally all of this countries safety nets . Should the right get what they want or should we raise taxes on the wealthy. To take care of it. You won't get far here with everyone's a cheat routine, without credible sources supporting that scenario.
    Fallacy of bifurcation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,



    Taxing the rich more will generate more revenue. Same income, higher tax, more revenue. The government needs more revenue. Revenue is insufficient to meet expenditures. The entire deficit is added onto the debt each year.

    We've got a big country, getting bigger all the time. More people, more spending, bigger economy. Our government must grow to keep up with that. And consider; our government has grown constantly throughout our history. As our government has grown, so has our economy. Everything we have now, our whole country, our giant government that tries to be everything to everyone, all our people, everything we've built; all of it, it all happened as we let government grow to the size it is today. Big government has not hurt us. I honestly don't know what the problem is for the right. My taxes are about as low as I can remember. So are everybody's. The rich have had their taxes cut to a THIRD of what they once were. We've got it good.

    We've got it good and part of the problem is we have it a little too good. We have not paid in as much as we have spent. We are short. So we need to cover that. We have to pay for yesterday's bills. We can't blow this off. It's our collective debt. We, the people, are responsible for that debt. It's all ours. Nobody else's.

    The only possible time we can begin to pay that down is when our economy is doing well. We certainly can't do it during a recession.

    The trust that the world has in the United States, our 'credit,' is on the line. And this is important, because world approval of the USA has been falling. We have to pay down our debt. We have to make good on our word.

    Hello.

    Does any of this make any sense.

    Now is the time to tax the rich more, and now is the time for them to pay for the great country which has favored them so well.

    Uncle Sam is proud to be the economic playground of our most advantaged citizens. But Uncle Sam needs a little help. Surely these fine people can do what it takes. Really, they are the only ones who could afford to do it without crashing the economy. And we need the economy to pay for what we've spent. So it's got to be the rich. We've got to tax the rich more. Just simple logic. Sorry, rich people. We know it won't hurt you that much. We know you have so much money that your lifestyle will not be affected the least by the required level of taxation. And just think of the awesome sense of accomplishment of being part of the wise ones who gave what they could for their nation, if not their lives, some of their money. (We know some people think the money is more important.)

    The math works. We can tax the rich enough to begin paying down the debt.

    We could all pay a little bit more tax. But the rich need to haul the heaviest part of the load. It's the only way to shore up world trust in the USA, something it sorely needs about now.
    1) The democrats have shown no qualms about wanting to spend significantly more money than we already are on new programs like free college for everybody and universal healthcare. The suggestion by you that they want to raise taxes to reduce debt is not supported by a single thing. They want that money to buy votes and make people more dependent on them. If they were worried about debt, they would support Trump's tariffs as they broaden the tax base.

    2) Governments do not operate like household budgets. There is no indication that the US government has any trouble moving treasuries even at lower than current interest rates. There have been multiple articles and studies published should you so desire to explore them that explore multiple variations of this theme. In addition, debt is how the US expands the money supply. Without it, the dollar becomes destabilized which would then tidal wave throughout the global economy. Government debt is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    NOW THAT'S A REAL INTELLIGENT QUESTION , IT FED THEM AND THEIR FAMILY AND KEPT A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS , IT HELP PAY FOR EMERGENCY'S AND ILLNESSES AND JUST BAD TIMES THAT COMES TO EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY.YOUR RIDICULOUS. JUST AS A SAFETY NET IS SUPPOSE TO DO.
    Please explain how an election that was just held, fed the poor, kept a roof over their heads, and paid for their emergency's and illnesses; all in less then a month??
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    It's nice to see how our resident JPP liberals are still hoping for a socialist government and country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    country's.

    Strange that you think a tax increase only generates revenue if it is on the wealthy. A dollar raised from lottery tickets or cigarettes is no different than a dollar raised from capital gains.
    Since the average worker already pays approximately 50% of hs salary in local, county, State, Federal, property, gas, etc. taxes, and your gawds pay 0% to 16%.

    So, the question is why do you have such low esteem, and hate the average worker so greatly, that you feel you need to spend your life on your knees before the altar to your gawd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Since the average worker already pays approximately 50% of hs salary in local, county, State, Federal, property, gas, etc. taxes, and your gawds pay 0% to 16%.

    So, the question is why do you have such low esteem, and hate the average worker so greatly, that you feel you need to spend your life on your knees before the altar to your gawd?
    I am not an average worker.

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