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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Sirthinksalot,



    Taxes are so low now that we are not collecting enough revenue, so it stands to reason when we raise taxes on the rich we will increase our revenue to sufficient levels to eliminate the deficit and begin paying down the debt.

    And if we can't do it now while the economy is good, we will never be able to do it during the next recession.
    Brain dead liberal moron thinks we don't pay enough taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,



    We need to tax capital gains just like a paycheck. Maybe even more. Capital gains are easier to come by. People have to work for a paycheck.
    Yup it's income but more then half of that cap gains break goes to 1/10 of 1% off this country. If there is a tax that should be put through the ceiling that's the one. It's nothing but a gravy train for the fat old white men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,



    We need to tax capital gains just like a paycheck. Maybe even more. Capital gains are easier to come by. People have to work for a paycheck.
    Short term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income as well as most dividends. In Addition, the current long term steps disproportionately benefit the working class, so treating long term gains as ordinary income discourages investment and upward mobility at the end of the spectrum you profess to want to help. The Trump tax reform extended carried interest special treatment from 1 to 3 years which dabbles at making venture capitalists pay more realistic taxes. There are ways to get at increasing revenue/taxes and bring some of the most egregious tax avoiders into regular income rates without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
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    I call for raising taxes on the rich.

    Lazy choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    With the right going after every safety net from SS ,medicare, Medicaid ,food support ,housing support, disability , generally all of this countries safety nets . Should the right get what they want or should we raise taxes on the wealthy. To take care of it. You won't get far here with everyone's a cheat routine, without credible sources supporting that scenario.
    People who think the wealthy are going to stand by and let you confiscate their wealth are STUPID

    Leftists are so dumb that they actually believe Warren Buffett when he SAYS he thinks he should pay more taxes.

    Yet they ignore the fact that he uses every legal means to shield himself from as many taxes as possible

    Leftists are so fucking stupid, gullible and naive

    They should all be exterminated right after the muslimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am amused when low IQ dumbfucks try to lecture us using a leftist meme like trickle down. But dumber still is this notion of trickling up or that giving the Government even more of our hard earned wealth results in solutions.
    Especially when they get it wrong. The Laffer Curve wasn't a prominent topic of discussion until late in Reagan's second term. Reagan cut some taxes but he raised others. The Left will never forgive him for cutting the top marginal rate but he had no choice but to do so given the circumstances at the time. None of the leftist fuckwits complaining about Reagan know why he had to cut that rate and that tells me none of them have ever owned or operated a small business in this country otherwise they would know why the top marginal rate is so important when it comes to S-Corps.
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    Hello Kacper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Short term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income as well as most dividends. In Addition, the current long term steps disproportionately benefit the working class, so treating long term gains as ordinary income discourages investment and upward mobility at the end of the spectrum you profess to want to help. The Trump tax reform extended carried interest special treatment from 1 to 3 years which dabbles at making venture capitalists pay more realistic taxes. There are ways to get at increasing revenue/taxes and bring some of the most egregious tax avoiders into regular income rates without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    Such as taxing the rich more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deplorable View Post
    Especially when they get it wrong. The Laffer Curve wasn't a prominent topic of discussion until late in Reagan's second term. Reagan cut some taxes but he raised others. The Left will never forgive him for cutting the top marginal rate but he had no choice but to do so given the circumstances at the time. None of the leftist fuckwits complaining about Reagan know why he had to cut that rate and that tells me none of them have ever owned or operated a small business in this country otherwise they would know why the top marginal rate is so important when it comes to S-Corps.
    Amen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    People who think the wealthy are going to stand by and let you confiscate their wealth are STUPID

    Leftists are so dumb that they actually believe Warren Buffett when he SAYS he thinks he should pay more taxes.

    Yet they ignore the fact that he uses every legal means to shield himself from as many taxes as possible

    Leftists are so fucking stupid, gullible and naive

    They should all be exterminated right after the muslimes
    What makes them dumber than a box of rocks is the notion that we have a Revenue problem and not a spending problem and that the economy is finite, therefore, if Gates gets more wealth, someone else got less. They really are the most smug, arrogant, dumbasses on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,



    Such as taxing the rich more?
    Could cap the amount of gains eligible for special treatment. Could force employers to create portable investment accounts as part of payroll. The justification for the special treatment of long term gains is that the money is often already taxed and it is being retaxed without indexing for inflation. Eliminate them and you will see growing demands for eliminating the corporate taxes on dividends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    With the right going after every safety net from SS ,medicare, Medicaid ,food support ,housing support, disability , generally all of this countries safety nets . Should the right get what they want or should we raise taxes on the wealthy. To take care of it. You won't get far here with everyone's a cheat routine, without credible sources supporting that scenario.
    Great thread idea! It gets right to the point of asking the important question directly. After two years the results of Trump's corporate ideology can't be hidden much longer. The Trump cause are yielding the effects!

    What was the poverty rate in the US before Trump even started?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_poverty_rate

    And for the contrast:

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=world...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Short term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income as well as most dividends. In Addition, the current long term steps disproportionately benefit the working class, so treating long term gains as ordinary income discourages investment and upward mobility at the end of the spectrum you profess to want to help. The Trump tax reform extended carried interest special treatment from 1 to 3 years which dabbles at making venture capitalists pay more realistic taxes. There are ways to get at increasing revenue/taxes and bring some of the most egregious tax avoiders into regular income rates without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    Lets bring this back to reality , I'm not talking about the president , I'm talking about income from capital gains being set at 15% instead of the percentage for normal income. How specialized is this tax break, well more then half of this cap gains tax cut of15% goes to 1/10 of 1% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    People who think the wealthy are going to stand by and let you confiscate their wealth are STUPID

    Leftists are so dumb that they actually believe Warren Buffett when he SAYS he thinks he should pay more taxes.

    Yet they ignore the fact that he uses every legal means to shield himself from as many taxes as possible

    Leftists are so fucking stupid, gullible and naive

    They should all be exterminated right after the muslimes
    Confiscate , that's 100lb of bullshit , so tell me how any country can get along without taxes . So your saying that we can't tax or that the country is stealing from people when they set a tax rate. You people are like a cartoon. Warren Buffet , what a fricken hoot. Who is stupid, gullible and naive. What a hoot , the make believe world of ding dongville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Could cap the amount of gains eligible for special treatment. Could force employers to create portable investment accounts as part of payroll. The justification for the special treatment of long term gains is that the money is often already taxed and it is being retaxed without indexing for inflation. Eliminate them and you will see growing demands for eliminating the corporate taxes on dividends.
    None of the cap gains has been pretax ed only the investment amount. Indexing for inflation is simply part of the investment strategy and in no way should be used to lower tax rates on any investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Lets bring this back to reality , I'm not talking about the president , I'm talking about income from capital gains being set at 15% instead of the percentage for normal income. How specialized is this tax break, well more then half of this cap gains tax cut of15% goes to 1/10 of 1% of the population.
    And all of the earned income tax benefits go to the poor. Neither end of the spectrum is a meaningful concern to me. Treating long term gains as ordinary income will be very bad for a lot of middle class people, as well as some poor people. You are not interested in helping people. All you are interested in is punishing successful people and families. A uniform flat tax rate applying to all income, rich or poor, would be the only system that would meet an equitable standard and I am sure you would oppose that too because it doesn't punish success.

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