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Thread: Donald Trump: The Biggest Loser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    lying and cheating is all you have huh shitballs

    Does the truth hurt ? Lol !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    Oh please .... The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since they gave it to Obama ... For doing nothing .
    only to racists


    he was given that for beating back the election cheating the republicans do and the world knows about

    The world didn't want the USA getting lied into wars by evil men and crashing the economic system of the world for the wealthys benefit anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    Fixed it for you .....
    Hey Bitch! Stop misquoting me!

    Do try to be original with your posts and stop using me for your ideas OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Hey Bitch! Stop misquoting me!

    Do try to be original with your posts and stop using me for your ideas OK?
    they lie and cheat

    Its all they got

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Hey Bitch! Stop misquoting me!

    Do try to be original with your posts and stop using me for your ideas OK?
    Just making a point ...... Hypocrite much ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    You neglect that Trump lies about almost everything. There is nothing he says that can be believed. If you haven't accepted this long ago, I feel very sorry for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    Oh please .... The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since they gave it to Obama ... For doing nothing .

    What-aboutism does not change the fact that your outsized Orange Pig does not know what he is doing, lied his ass off when he said there was no longer a nuclear threat, and is basically a con man who's only skill is to over-promise and under-deliver. That's what con men do.


    As far as I am concerned, anyone who took a strong public stance against the Iraq War deserves a Novel Prize. It is history's way of acknowledging the wisdom of people who know dumb, unnecessary, and disastrous wars when they see them.

    People like that need to be held out by history as models to emulate - considering the Iraq War was the biggest foreign policy blunder of our generation, resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, and led to dangerous regional geopolitical chaos that we are still living with nearly two decades later. .

    I am not opposed to all wars. I am opposed to a dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear — I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

    But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaida. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

    - Barack Obama, 2002

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    Obama dumped more bombs and killed way more people than Bush ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Are those tears of joy over the 35 seats? Seems this meme is outdated. The Resistance is now ramping up for 2020!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loving91390 View Post
    Just making a point ...... Hypocrite much ?
    Use your own material to make your points please!

    Lets play fair or no more food fights OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Are those tears of joy over the 35 seats? Seems this meme is outdated. The Resistance is now ramping up for 2020!
    the resistance is the same whether they have the house or not.
    No ideas on foreign policy (in this case) except "Trump is bad". show me a better path in dealing with NK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    the resistance is the same whether they have the house or not.
    No ideas on foreign policy (in this case) except "Trump is bad". show me a better path in dealing with NK?
    The point is this is what we have tried to tell you. Trump is doing exactly what previous Presidents have done. Kim is doing what Korean leaders do. Trump thought he was going to make progress unlike anyone before him. It was a done deal according to him. N. Korea was no longer a threat. I don’t think this is true. N. Korea is still a threat, there is no peace agreement and the beat goes on. I am happy that Trump achieved getting the remains home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    the resistance is the same whether they have the house or not.
    No ideas on foreign policy (in this case) except "Trump is bad". show me a better path in dealing with NK?
    1) Trump over-promises and under-delivers. That is not only a character flaw in any competent adult human being - it is a disaster in a President of the United States. Trump basically needs to keep his mouth shut, stop giving these freebie "summits" and publicity to Kim, and Trump basically just needs to let diplomats do all the leg work and make all the decisions. The dim-witted and gullible Trump should play no role at all.


    2) Want and example of something that works? Obama's international nuclear agreement with Iran. A comprehensive agreement that involved Europe, Russian and Iran, was relatively robust, included verification and monitoring - and was actually working. We could only wish to have something that good with North Korea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    1) Trump over-promises and under-delivers. That is not only a character flaw in any competent adult human being - it is a disaster in a President of the United States. Trump basically needs to keep his mouth shut, stop giving these freebie "summits" and publicity to Kim, and Trump basically just needs to let diplomats do all the leg work and make all the decisions. The dim-witted and gullible Trump should play no role at all.


    2) Want and example of something that works? Obama's international nuclear agreement with Iran. A comprehensive agreement that involved Europe, Russian and Iran, was relatively robust, included verification and monitoring - and was actually working. We could only wish to have something that good with North Korea
    good critique:
    the problem was NK was an existential threat- literally there were missiles flying and threats to blow up the US etc.
    So there really wasn't time for diplomatic niceties -or working it up thru channels- and the 2 leaders were bombastic and hostile it really took a summit to change that dynamic.

    I t can be argued another summit is not called for now. There has been no disclosure by lil Kim of his nukes
    so why give another summit if Pompeo can't get that done?

    On the other hand what is the loss by another summit since we have de facto recognition?

    I see both options from here have pluses and minuses -but the initial summit was needed and successful for
    reducing the existential threats that were in play at the time

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