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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    That's ridiculous. If anything, we saw it as anti-presidential, and that goes for everything he does. I kept hearing this drivel throughout the campaign and I thought, they want me to see him as "non presidential" but they want me to perceive HILLARY as "presidential"? Politicians who look "presidential" these days tend to look like pompous idiots to me
    And sometimes if an apple looks bad on the outside it is best not to bite on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,



    And sometimes if an apple looks bad on the outside it is best not to bite on it.
    Okay, I see where you're coming from. Did you take a bite out of hillary, or bernie? Or would you rather I had looked at all the candidates in 2016, be disheartened because none of them looked "presidential" enough, and then stay home and let demorats have all the say? Not gonna happen. I held my nose and voted for McCain in '08 because I thought he would at least fight a LITTLE against the dem agenda, and obama was looking very "presidential" back then(or as I like to put it, he was looking a lot like Mussolini)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello anatta,



    How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?

    Would you deny it?

    Call it fake news?

    Me? I'd be saddened either way. Even if Trump is clean, to see him remain in office is bad for the nation, to have our leader thrown out is bad for the nation, it's just a stinkaroo either way. I don't know what's going to happen, so I don't pretend to. But a lot of you die hard Trump supporters remain convinced all is well, and this is all some kind of Democrat plan to make Trump look bad. I don't know why, because Mueller was a good choice for this. He was highly regarded by BOTH SIDES when he was appointed to the position. And there wouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation if Trump hadn't fired Comey in the first place - for doing his job and refusing to pledge allegiance to Trump.

    So I just have to wonder how you guys are going to take it if it turns out Trump is dirty.

    I'm guessing it is going to be 'ton-of-bricks' time for some; if that happens.

    And it seems to be inching ever closer to it all the time.

    I am *so* ready to see the end of this chapter.

    Not sure if the anti-Mueller people are.
    I'd be king if dogs had wings. I'd have a better chance of that then Mueller finding any Russian collusion.

    No worries though -your guy Schiff promises to carry on the stupidity with him investigating
    "Russian money laundering" even way back before Trump became POTUS.

    "show me the man and i'll show you the crime"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Okay, I see where you're coming from. Did you take a bite out of hillary, or bernie? Or would you rather I had looked at all the candidates in 2016, be disheartened because none of them looked "presidential" enough, and then stay home and let demorats have all the say? Not gonna happen. I held my nose and voted for McCain in '08 because I thought he would at least fight a LITTLE against the dem agenda, and obama was looking very "presidential" back then(or as I like to put it, he was looking a lot like Mussolini)
    Yeah, there's so much daylight between Don and Mussolini.

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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Okay, I see where you're coming from. Did you take a bite out of hillary, or bernie?
    Bernie. Good old honest Bernie, who didn't mince words, wasn't afraid to come right out and say he was a Democratic Socialist. Free college? Yeah. I want to pay for that with my taxes and everybody else's too. You get the grades, buddy, we'll pay the tuition. I'm all for that. That's a good win/win deal. They get an education, we get a better nation. We, as a nation, do need to be smarter. Because right now we seem pretty dumb. We're too dumb. We gotta be smarter. And it will pay us back in the long run because smart people are better with money. Dumb people waste money. Smart people are more likely to be well informed actively engaged members of the populace. Dumb people commit crimes, cost us all a lot of money for police, courts and prisons. Raise the IQ of the whole nation. Yes. Logically, that would result in a better nation. Yes, free college. I bet it would pay for itself in a better life for everybody. With less crime.

    And government-run health care? Heck yeah. I want to pay for that with mine and everybody else's taxes too. Because I happen to believe we need a health care system where the focus is on curing people, healing people, and keeping people healthy. Capitalism wants to make it all about making money. I want big pharmaceutical organizations working on CURES, not REMEDIES. Don't you get it? If today's big for-profit pharma industry accidentally stumbled on a cure for something? They'd lock it away, destroy it, keep it a secret, bury it, make sure it NEVER came to market. Remedies are far more profitable, so remedies are what we get. When was the last time you ever heard of big pharma CURING ANYTHING??? lmao Did you know, about half the nation is on some kind of prescription drug? This is wealth extraction; and they are bleeding us DRY. And getting RICH. On OUR backs.

    I would MUCH rather pay higher taxes and have NO HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS TO PAY EVER AGAIN.

    Yeah, I want government-run health care; where the goal is making people well, not making people rich.

    I don't want profits built into what I pay for health care. Providing health care should be about dedication to helping people. Not helping yourSELF (to their savings.) Provide the same service, but do it with none of the profit. Just do it for cost. With no profit. Only the government can do that. Private industry can't undertake anything with a plan to break even. They always want the bottom line. I am tired of being their bottom line.

    But I can compromise. No problem. We'll get there in baby steps. Bernie's plan is a good next step.

    Bernie's Medicare-For-All plan is a FAR better idea than the RipOff we are getting now. And we need bipartisan support to make it happen, because you have to fight a lot of really rich people to do it, and you'll be messing with their cash cow. The right needs to wake up and admit the health care industry is ripping us off. If we the people, the left AND the right, unite against them, it won't matter HOW much money they have, they won't have the votes. We will have the votes. All their money is no good if it can't buy the votes. We can do this. Nobody is going to tell you, so we have to spread the word. We can have the best health care, all paid for, and it will be built into our tax structure. Nobody will ever have to pay for health care out of pocket again. And it will cover everybody and cost less. That will make America REALLY great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Or would you rather I had looked at all the candidates in 2016, be disheartened because none of them looked "presidential" enough, and then stay home and let demorats have all the say? Not gonna happen. I held my nose and voted for McCain in '08 because I thought he would at least fight a LITTLE against the dem agenda, and obama was looking very "presidential" back then(or as I like to put it, he was looking a lot like Mussolini)
    How you vote is up to you. I'm just telling ya what I support and why. Of course 2016 wasn't a good choice. It was one of the stinkiest, hold your nose elections I can ever remember. And that means stinky! I did hold my nose and vote for Hillary, and I imagine you held yours as you voted for Trump. Personally, I think it is a whole lot easier to overlook Hillary's faults than it is to give Trump a free pass. But then we'll never know what Hillary might have done if elected... (I was more than a bit concerned she might start a war.)

    I was so reassured by reading this editorial, I can't tell you how much more trust it gave me in our government. To hear that ethical Republicans are really what is standing between Trump and his abuse of power just gives me some trust back that we do really have checks and balances on power. Trump exceeds his power, abuses the office. He needs to be reigned in. And he's making us look bad.

    I hope Mueller comes up with some real doozies; and if it goes all the way to the top, then I want Trump removed from office. And everybody else that had anything to do with it. And if that ends up meaning President Pelosi, then so BE IT.
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    Hello noise,

    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    I'd be king if dogs had wings. I'd have a better chance of that then Mueller finding any Russian collusion.

    No worries though -your guy Schiff promises to carry on the stupidity with him investigating
    "Russian money laundering" even way back before Trump became POTUS.

    "show me the man and i'll show you the crime"
    I see you didn't answer the question.

    How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
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    This Poli Talker dude is a bit fucked in the head. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    This Poli Talker dude is a bit fucked in the head. Just saying.
    Why do you think they’re a he? and sorry, don’t share your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Why do you think they’re a he? and sorry, don’t share your opinion.
    He/she could be a bit confused about their gender. That would not suprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello noise,



    I see you didn't answer the question.

    How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?
    i assume you mean he releases a bill of particulars as Mueller cannot "fire" Trump.

    he'll issue a report on every little minutia going back to the beginning of time which the Dem will use to "investigate" further.
    It's a nothing burger on Russian collusion and obstructionism however.

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    Hello anatta,

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    i assume you mean he releases a bill of particulars as Mueller cannot "fire" Trump.
    I said: "How would you take it if Mueller got Trump fired?"

    And you didn't answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    he'll issue a report on every little minutia going back to the beginning of time which the Dem will use to "investigate" further.
    It's a nothing burger on Russian collusion and obstructionism however.
    How do you know what is in the report?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I said Mueller might get Trump fired.
    you mean impeached

    How do you know what is in the report?
    Muelers written interrogatories don't go into obstruction.
    Article 2 is clear as well as the fact Rosenweasel gave reasons for the Comey firing.

    "Russian collusion" has always been a farce

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    i assume you mean he releases a bill of particulars as Mueller cannot "fire" Trump.

    he'll issue a report on every little minutia going back to the beginning of time which the Dem will use to "investigate" further.
    It's a nothing burger on Russian collusion and obstructionism however.
    You have zero idea what you're talking about as usual.
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    C'MON MAN!!!!

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    Hello anatta,

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    you mean impeached
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Muelers written interrogatories don't go into obstruction.
    Article 2 is clear as well as the fact Rosenweasel gave reasons for the Comey firing.

    "Russian collusion" has always been a farce
    Mueller's authorization clearly gives him the power to go into associated matters.

    And I take it that since you still have not answered the question that you are totally unprepared for the possibility of impeachment, since you're certain that will never happen. Correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello anatta,



    Yes.



    Mueller's authorization clearly gives him the power to go into associated matters.

    And I take it that since you still have not answered the question that you are totally unprepared for the possibility of impeachment, since you're certain that will never happen. Correct?
    anyone that has followed politics and world affairs for as long as I have is always prepared for anything -
    although the JFKennedy assassination till rattles me to my bones.

    I suppose the saying "everything goes around sooner or later" is in play here

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