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[Phantasmal]

Woodrow Wilson. It started about a century earlier in Europe.

Lol, I think it goes further back than that and Wilson isn’t what I’d consider a leftist.

[Phantasmal]

What were all the labor wars and coal wars where workers had to engage in warfare against corporations and their hired private goons?

What about Rome, where the slaves turned on the aristocracy?

[Fentoine Lum]

Lol, I think it goes further back than that and Wilson isn’t what I’d consider a leftist.

I recall his glorious reception of Birth Of A Nation.

[Phantasmal]

I recall his glorious reception of Birth Of A Nation.

He embraced Eugenics before Hitler.

[Fentoine Lum]

What about Rome, where the slaves turned on the aristocracy?

The struggle is as old as the pathology of accumulated wealth and power.

[Fentoine Lum]

He embraced Eugenics before Hitler.

American capitalists embraced Adolf in his ascent.

[Minister of Truth]

Lol, I think it goes further back than that and Wilson isn’t what I’d consider a leftist.

Wilson is the starting point of the left in America. Socialism began to spread over here after 1849, but through the end of the 19th century, leftism was barely existent here. The strongest year for the Socialist Party was the year that Wilson got elected.

[Minister of Truth]

He embraced Eugenics before Hitler.

So did the entire leftist establishment of that era. Even Louis Brandeis and other luminaries.

[Nordberg]

What about Rome, where the slaves turned on the aristocracy?

It'll happen here too. New Zealand is halting wealthy foreigners from buying land and homes for the apocalypse.

[Fentoine Lum]

It'll happen here too. New Zealand is halting wealthy foreigners from buying land and homes for the apocalypse.

The capitalists know what's coming, they're just cashing in while they can.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Fentoine Lum,

The capitalists know what's coming, they're just cashing in while they can.

That's all capitalism ever does.

It just looks uglier when the product causes such lasting and life-altering irreversible misery.

[RB 60]

Hello RB 60,



I have no desire to take away your guns. A comprehensive long-term solution shouldn't have to do that. I would support legislation which would allow you to keep everything you have for as long as you live, and your family could keep things which are inherited as long as those weapons are not used in a crime. That's the goal. To have these things not ever used to attack innocent people. That's the problem, and we can no longer ignore it.

I could see stringent new gun-control legislation, if the gun lobby would allow it, which would allow all current owners of guns to keep everything. There could be a buy-back for those who have had enough, or heirs who have no interest in owning something handed down in death. Let everybody keep everything they have now. (That wouldn't be good enough for the current NRA, because the NRA is now all about protecting profits as much as rights. And it is having an internal struggle with that. I understand most NRA members want more sensible gun control.)

But the moment any of these things are used inappropriately, they should be destroyed. And one by one, they will all either be gone, or owned by responsible people who pose no threat.

And let's stop the sales of weapons which are not appropriate for civil society, as we stop allowing mentally unstable people from owning guns.

Personally, as a mature and wise person who is able to conduct civil discourse, I think people who cannot have a rational discussion without making personal attacks are showing enough immaturity that they should not be allowed to purchase or own guns.

I am entitled to my view, and I should be allowed the freedom to voice it. That's what freedom means.

We have some people here who fought for freedom. Some paid the ultimate price. Others came back, but when they came back they were not the same people they were before. That's a tragic consequence of war, and a reason why we as a nation should only resort to war as an absolute final and last resort, after exhausting all options for preserving peace. Peace is the goal. Peace is always the goal. Even if we fight wars, the goal is to have it over and done, and return to peace. War is terrible. Nothing good comes from war. The price paid for war is far greater than the lives lost and the dollars wasted. The toll it takes on human minds and the ability to simply enjoy life are incalculable. And the mind-toll is greater than ever acknowledged. People who can't sleep. People who want to be happy, but can't be. People who initiate aggression for no good reason. Family members who don't understand what's going on with people. Children raised by parents who struggle to simply 'have a good day.' And we wonder where all these messed up minds come from...

People bring the war home with them. They can't just erase it out of their minds. We should never go to war unless there simply is no other option.

A nation needs to defend itself if attacked. A society does too. Common sense gun control regulations are coming. It will be a nasty fight but one that needs to happen.

You keep insisting the NRA membership is for (your suggested type of) gun control, that is a lie. Why must you liberals blame NRA members, who pose no threat whatsoever, for others who are already breaking the law? You keep babbling about the NRA's goal is gun manufacturer profits, that's a lie, but then you have no idea and dismiss the fact that the NRA is the largest organization promoting gun safety and responsible ownership. There are millions of responsible people who own and legally use these weapons you say "are not appropriate for civil society," who are you to make this judgement?
Mature and wise? Again, that's your opinion. As I said before, at one time you could get a gun mail ordered from Sears or buy an M1 Garand at a hardware store. Tell me why there weren't all these "mass shootings" in those days. Like I said before, raise your kids to be more responsible.
This country has been at war on and off since we won our freedom (that was a war too) from the British. Why now, all of a sudden, is the "mind-toll is greater than ever acknowledged"? Seems to me, American society has done pretty well after past wars (and no, I'm not supporting war at all). Those who fought in WWII were considered "the greatest generation," both in battle and in this country's technological advancements afterward, were they not? Everyone I knew from that generation did pretty well for themselves.
Lastly, "A nation needs to defend itself if attacked. A society does too." I agree 100% and that is why I am a responsible gun owner (and successful hunter). Whether you agree or not, I always will be. As you say, "there simply is no other option."

[iolo]

Nobody ever gets murdered in the UK, huh?

Far, far, far fewer.

[PoliTalker]

Hello RB 60,

You keep insisting the NRA membership is for (your suggested type of) gun control, that is a lie.

Point of order. Most NRA members support some type of gun control. I never said they supported my position.

Why must you liberals blame NRA members, who pose no threat whatsoever, for others who are already breaking the law?

I don't 'blame the members.' I am critical of the organization.

You keep babbling about the NRA's goal is gun manufacturer profits, that's a lie,

It may not be stated as such, but that's what is going on.

but then you have no idea and dismiss the fact that the NRA is the largest organization promoting gun safety and responsible ownership. There are millions of responsible people who own and legally use these weapons you say "are not appropriate for civil society," who are you to make this judgement?

I give the NRA a D for gun safety promotion. Sure, they have some programs, but every time there is another mass shooting they say: 'Now is not the time to talk about gun control.' Only problem is they never say: 'OK, now is the time.' Probably because there are so many shootings we never get a chance to recover from one. So it's never the time to talk about gun control. Why the semantic games? If the NRA's position is that it is never time to even talk about gun control then why don't they simply say so? Who are they fooling? Themselves?

As I said before, at one time you could get a gun mail ordered from Sears or buy an M1 Garand at a hardware store. Tell me why there weren't all these "mass shootings" in those days. Like I said before, raise your kids to be more responsible.

That was back when male superiority was enshrined, right? When one income would support the whole family and a man was king of his castle? Most of these shootings are disgruntled white guys. The connection is rather obvious. Begrudged white males are lashing out at whatever they've picked as their boogieman.

This country has been at war on and off since we won our freedom (that was a war too) from the British. Why now, all of a sudden, is the "mind-toll is greater than ever acknowledged"?

PTSD has always been there. We're just talking about it more openly now.

Seems to me, American society has done pretty well after past wars (and no, I'm not supporting war at all). Those who fought in WWII were considered "the greatest generation," both in battle and in this country's technological advancements afterward, were they not? Everyone I knew from that generation did pretty well for themselves.

How many blacks who fought in WWII did well afterwards? Even if they managed to get an education and find a job (admittedly tougher for blacks in the age of segregation,) they were redlined out of good neighborhoods and prevented from getting mortgages, the primary wealth-building tool of the middle class. Being financially disadvantaged as a race, led to increased crime.

Lastly, "A nation needs to defend itself if attacked. A society does too." I agree 100% and that is why I am a responsible gun owner (and successful hunter). Whether you agree or not, I always will be. As you say, "there simply is no other option."

A society needs to collectively protect itself from the advent of war.

[Sirthinksalot]

Far, far, far fewer.

You twits have a far smaller population.