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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    What causes you to believe I'd defend the United States government as anything else except over bloated and corrupt? Government is socialist force by definition and not just corrupt by its very nature it's also socialist thugery. Our founders understood that and that's why they gave us our Constitution, that our government has violated, bastardized and trashed even before the ink was dry. What's left of it is our only saving grace, FOR NOW!
    The constitution was a power grab to force people to pay taxes.
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
    It's simple Capitalism is all about I.
    Socialism is all about we.
    That's succinct...individualism vs collectivism. Unfortunately for the collectivists' viewpoint, if you destroy the sanctity of the freedom of the individual, you've defeated the purpose of any "greater good" you might have imagined. One cannot achieve good by doing bad.
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Socialism is for the aristocracy, not for the people.
    This describes every form of government.
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    It is something that no sane person wants anything to do with. It is also something that has failed spectacularly everywhere it's been tried. Democratic believe it has done so only because THEY haven't tried it yet. They actually believe they can make it work. That is the definition of insanity.
    Do you believe you have some version of government that will "work?" Do you think, "If we can just get the right people in there...?" Or, are you an anarchist?
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
    It's simple Capitalism is all about I.
    Socialism is all about we.
    "We" know what is best for everybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchon View Post
    That's succinct...individualism vs collectivism. Unfortunately for the collectivists' viewpoint, if you destroy the sanctity of the freedom of the individual, you've defeated the purpose of any "greater good" you might have imagined. One cannot achieve good by doing bad.
    You can't have a population like our world without government
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    "We" know what is best for everybody else.
    We are everyone else from the capitalist I.
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
    You can't have a population like our world without government
    Who taught you to believe that? Let me guess...your government?
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchon View Post
    Who taught you to believe that? Let me guess...your government?
    Guessed wrong,no cigar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
    We are everyone else from the capitalist I.
    But everyone has many different values, interests, opinions, policy preferences. There is no "common good" for all. If everybody pursues their own self interest the interests of everyone are met; otherwise, someone else is deciding for you. Those working for government are concerned about their own self-interests as much as those working in private industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But everyone has many different values, interests, opinions, policy preferences. There is no "common good" for all. If everybody pursues their own self interest the interests of everyone are met; otherwise, someone else is deciding for you. Those working for government are concerned about their own self-interests as much as those working in private industry.
    1% ruling 99% doesn't fly anymore!
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchon View Post
    Who taught you to believe that? Let me guess...your government?
    Where would you live without government or roads or postal service or clean water or sewage or law enforcement or schools??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But everyone has many different values, interests, opinions, policy preferences. There is no "common good" for all. If everybody pursues their own self interest the interests of everyone are met; otherwise, someone else is deciding for you. Those working for government are concerned about their own self-interests as much as those working in private industry.
    Humans have agree on some rules since the hunter-gatherers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Where would you live without government or roads or postal service or clean water or sewage or law enforcement or schools??
    Why assume those things can't exist without government?
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
    1% ruling 99% doesn't fly anymore!
    It still wouldn't be moral if 99% ruled 1%. The ruling is the thing.
    If you believe that man is good, there is no need for government. If you believe that man is bad, you dare not create one.

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