Astonishing Stat

[TTQ64]

Hello Oneuli,



No big surprise here. The South wanted slavery. Fought a war over it and lost. Got told to end slavery, so they immediately went into racism. That stemmed from myths to justify slavery - that blacks were inferior - like beasts, and it was just for superior whites to enslave them. Changing the law didn't change the beliefs. And so discrimination set in. And prejudice. Blacks were shut out of wealth-building with job discrimination, property ownership discrimination, and home mortgage discrimination. Home ownership is the largest wealth-generator for the middle class. Poor blacks were shut out of the primary wealth source for white families. Without wealth, and with poor job prospects, crime rose.

If we could go back to the basic root cause of a problem and deal with it on that level we could be more effective in solving it.

We need to change the attitudes.

Nobody is born prejudiced. We've got to find a way to break the cycle which transfers prejudice from generation to generation. Public information campaigns, free counseling, emphasis in schools on understanding the concept of equality - and why kids need to take the initiative to disbelieve their prejudiced parents, while having understanding that their parents might be wrong, and how to recognize it. I know kids want to think their parents are never wrong, but we have to work on that. Just because adults have children does not make them always right about everything, that it is OK to know your parents are wrong about something. Teach that kinda stuff in public schools, have it on TV, etc.

First off......stop voting for republicans and their corrupt party......stop compromising with them as well. Their ideology, policies and agenda are built from hate, greed and racism. Keep racism out of office.

[TTQ64]

It was the fat cat southern democrats that disenfranchised blacks.
The southern democrats believed in Jeffersonian democracy.
Democrat senator Byrd was former KKK.

The Dixiecrats were form because they were dissatisfied with their own democrat party with their policies of desegregation.
The Dixiecrats collapsed as a party in the late 40’s with members returning to the democrat party.


A century ago blacks were republicans. The party of Lincoln.
It was the southern democrats that resisted black voting rights.

You made some stupid statements.

Blacks knew better than to vote racist pigs......doesn't matter what you called yourselves then.

[Oneuli]

LMAO... gee I wonder why Maine is so low? and Vermont? Could it be that both only have about 1% of their population that is black? Both are very low in terms of total population?

That shouldn't matter. The figure isn't the percentage of disenfranchised people who are black (which would be expected to be low in a state with few black people), but rather the percentage of blacks who are disenfranchised. Even if a place only had four black people, if one of them was disenfranchised, that would be 25%.

The reason, instead, is that Maine and Vermont don't disenfranchise people -- they both are at 0% for the whole population, as well. The states with high rates for blacks have high rates for people overall, too (just not as high). For example, 9.14% of people from Kentucky have been disenfranchised.

[Oneuli]

Oneuli: "Instead, it's a product of political choices."
Jack: I agree. It's a mindset held by a silent majority.

Oneuli: "... instead there are socioeconomic/cultural factors at work."
Jack: I agree completely. Many whites inherit property from their parents, while most black parents are propertyless and have nothing to leave to their children.

Oneuli: "Yes -- at least for those who haven't had mixing with populations from other areas."
Jack: Probably the solution to many problems here in the USA.

This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).

[Oneuli]

This is total BS. The GOP wants the rules for voting to be followed by everyone.

The rules Republicans focus on creating are rules specifically designed to decrease turnout among blacks. For example, when it comes to qualifying voter ID, Republicans tend to be fine with allowing ID that is disproportionately held by whites (e.g., driver's licenses, gun licenses), but not ID that is disproportionately held by blacks (say, an EBT card).

[Oneuli]

Hello callinectes,



What, ya think liberals don't work for a living? Or pay taxes?

This is just a wild guess, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if liberals paid more taxes, per capita, than conservatives. Conservatives are disproportionately likely to fall into a few categories where effective tax rates are lower. One are business owners, who can use all sorts of tricks to lower their tax liability. If you have a guy whose business earns $150,000 and a person who earns the same $150,000 in the form of salary for a professional job, the latter is likely to pay more in taxes, since he'll be on the hook for payroll taxes and less able to play games to reduce taxable income (legally or otherwise).

Another category are retirees, who earn most of their money at the lower investment rates, rather than income tax rates like younger earners.

[Superfreak]

That shouldn't matter. The figure isn't the percentage of disenfranchised people who are black (which would be expected to be low in a state with few black people), but rather the percentage of blacks who are disenfranchised. Even if a place only had four black people, if one of them was disenfranchised, that would be 25%.

The reason, instead, is that Maine and Vermont don't disenfranchise people -- they both are at 0% for the whole population, as well. The states with high rates for blacks have high rates for people overall, too (just not as high). For example, 9.14% of people from Kentucky have been disenfranchised.

I think you need to look at that site a little closer.

[Oneuli]

It was the fat cat southern democrats that disenfranchised blacks.
The southern democrats believed in Jeffersonian democracy.
Democrat senator Byrd was former KKK.

The Dixiecrats were form because they were dissatisfied with their own democrat party with their policies of desegregation.
The Dixiecrats collapsed as a party in the late 40’s with members returning to the democrat party.


A century ago blacks were republicans. The party of Lincoln.
It was the southern democrats that resisted black voting rights.

You made some stupid statements.

There's been a consistent faction within this country that has been aligned with white supremacist goals: southern, rural, conservative, states-rights whites. The name of that faction has changed over time. They were once the anti-Federalists. Then the Democratic Republicans. Then the Democrats. Then the Republicans. But regardless of what label they had at a given moment, you'd find the same basic collection of states, localities, and demographic groups in that faction. For example, compare the 1900 and 2000 election maps, and you'll see they're pretty close to identical, just with the colors flipped. The grandkids and great-grandkids of the racist Democrats of the early 20th century are the racist Republicans of the early 21st century.

[Oneuli]

I think you need to look at that site a little closer.

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

[Jack]

This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).

I agree. It was probably THE argument. Many felt it was Green Power, rather than Black Power.

[Superfreak]

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

Like I stated, ya might want to actually read the site.

The population in Maine consists of only 1.5% AA. In Maine the incarceration rate for AA is 6:1.

IN KY the incarceration rate is 3:1 disparity.

Maine simply does not have enough people to qualify for the number of people out of 100,000. That is why their rate is low. The MAX number it could be for AA in Maine is 1... the MAX is 1.

[Superfreak]

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

take a good hard look at the northeast numbers on incarceration rates of blacks vs whites. A lot higher than the southern states.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=BWR

[Oneuli]

Like I stated, ya might want to actually read the site.

I did. I even pointed out the exact data confirming my point.

The population in Maine consists of only 1.5% AA.

I think you're missing the point. Let's imagine that 0.375% of the total population consists of disenfranchised African Americans. Then 25% of African Americans in Maine would be disenfranchised. Instead, it's 0%, according to that site. The fact that the denominator there is so small isn't really material, because it just means a very small numerator can create a high percentage.

Maine simply does not have enough people to qualify for the number of people out of 100,000.

I would recommend you actually read the site and THEN comment on it. They list the raw number in every state, down to the last digit. In Kentucky, the number of disenfranchised African Americans is 69,771. In Maine, it's 0. Since Maine has more than zero African Americans, you can use those two figures to calculate a percentage, and it's 0%.

That is why their rate is low. The MAX number it could be for AA in Maine is 1... the MAX is 1.

No. That's not how the math works. Take Montana, for example. Montana is about 0.4% black:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...can_population

Yet, according to the disenfranchisement site, 2.07% of their African Americans are disenfranchised. Using your logic, that's over five times as high as is mathematically possible. Similarly, Idaho is 0.6% black, yet 6.98% of their African Americans are disenfranchised. Wyoming is the most dramatic example. They're about 0.8% black, yet 17.18% of their African American population is disenfranchised. All those places have lower black populations than Maine, yet all have much, much higher percentages of disenfranchised African Americans.

[Oneuli]

take a good hard look at the northeast numbers on incarceration rates of blacks vs whites. A lot higher than the southern states.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=BWR

Yes, I'm aware of that. What's your point?

[Irish Exit]

I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/th...set-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.

As a Virginian, my response is stop committing felonies. Nobody is disenfranchising them. They are forfeiting their rights when they go around killing and stealing and dealing