How so? What changes aside from this huge expansion? All you're doing is moving the people from Medicare to Medicaid, (the worst healthcare of all) And to boot you're adding millions of other people to another "SOCIALIST" government reliance program and denying them the freedom to choose their own healthcare. Too boot all of that, it's unconstitutional! Read amendment 10 friend!
You finally said something correct friend. Government by it's very definition everywhere is socialism and always has been. The only argument worth having is "HOW SOCIALIST" does any country need to be to remain free and guarantee individual rights?2. Remember I said do not assume anything else is happening. Collecting taxes and spending is not socialism, if it were every government ever all throughout history would be socialist.
"Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."
1. We transfer costs right now. Ever wonder why tylenol costs what it does at the hospital?
2. I love how people keep redefining socialism to fit whatever point they're trying to make at the time. Serious question: when you say redistribution of wealth are you talking about only downward redistribution or do you have the same problem with corporate welfare and tax loopholes?
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What is socialized medicine?
Socialized medicine is, by definition, a health care system in which the government owns and operates health care facilities and employs the health care professionals, thus also paying for all health care services.
Examples abroad include the British National Health Service, and national health systems in countries such as Finland and Spain, but NOT including Canada’s Medicare system (which is publicly funded but which does not own all of the health facilities).
Closer to home, the*Veterans Health Administration is, as*one author points out, “actually socialized medicine, where the government owns the hospitals and employs the doctors.”
Medicare is an example of single-payer (the federal government) system, but it’s not socialized medicine because the doctors and hospitals are privately operated — the government pays them, but does not own or employ them. Medicaid is similar, in that it’s government funded, although the funding comes from both state and federal governments, rather than a single source.
Read more about*the difference between a single-payer system and socialized medicine. Learn more about the U.S. Medicare system and its history.
Source: https://www.healthinsurance.org/glos...ized-medicine/
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They're misguided souls! The nation's higher learning has been infiltrated by the old communist lies, the American youth have been brainwashed by it. America's major media has also been invaded and brainwashed by the leftist criminals. America will be turned into Europe and eventually Europe and America will become communist. That's their goal. The fools that follow them will likely eventually get exactly what they deserve. the problem with that is they'll take the rest of us with them. Many days I'm happy to be 82 years old. My likelihood to escape it all is pretty good. My fears are for my children, and there's little I can do about that.
"Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."
What do you mean by what changes? Everyone is covered, that's what changes. The Constitution argument is valid to my way of thinking but that ship has sailed and is long gone Robo. I could go on here but I have a problem with you trying to prove something is socialist by calling it socialist, that is circular reasoning.
You have seriously misunderstood what I said. You're saying that because I deny something to be true that that proves it to be true. Tighten up your game.
Don't be afraid to see what you see
kudzu (11-17-2018)
You aren't going to get this right until you realize what socialized medicine means.
Socialized medicine is a health care system in which the government owns and operates health care facilities and employs the health care professionals, thus also paying for all health care services.
The difference is friend, We can change Insurance companies or refuse to even buy insurance. That's called "FREEDOM." Thus insurance companies are our "middle man." We can't change "FEDERAL" government's without leaving the country. Thus the feds aren't our middle man. they're our dictator and they employ everybody when they take unconstitutional control over production and distribution of anything.
"Private delivery" is just the middle man, government is the employer, it controls the production and distribution and pays out the loot.Private delivery-single payer is not socialism.
That's "FREEDOM" friend, we can tell em to shove it! Try telling the feds to shove it.The insurance companies already determine what they will pay for a procedure or surgery.
"Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."
"Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."
kudzu (11-17-2018)
kudzu (11-17-2018)
Obviously you are very attached to your error. Why don't you ASK your doctor or a hospital administrator. Even practices that are largely Medicare are not owned or employed by the government.
Besides that .. the patient doesn't order tests or procedures, medicine or surgery from a menu.. He's NOT the customer.
Libertarians are always so fuzxy.
kudzu (11-17-2018)
socialized medicine Urban dictionary.
1. A derogatory term used by ignorant U.S. rightwingers to describe the forms of affordable and efficient health care practiced in Canada and many parts of Europe and elsewhere.
Originally coined in the 1950s to defeat any proposal to limit the rights of doctors and insurance and drug companies in the U.S. to profit from disease and human misery.
2. Any proposal advanced by a Democrat or anyone else on the left to improve the ruinously expensive and inefficient U.S. health care system.
1. "I don't care if people live longer and healthier lives in Canada. That shit is socialized medicine, and it takes away my right to go bankrupt and die when my insurance company pulls the plug."
2. "Hillary's health care plan was a give-away to the drug companies and the HMOs."
"I don't care. She's a Democrat, so her plan was really socialized medicine."
iolo (11-17-2018), Phantasmal (11-17-2018)
Correct! I recognized that, i.e. quote "other than the huge expansion of Medicaid."
Where in the Constitution does it say that all court decisions are chiseled in stone forever?" Actually all court decisions are subject for review and also there's Article 5. Constitutional violations can be 'amended."The Constitution argument is valid to my way of thinking but that ship has sailed and is long gone Robo.
On the contrary! the dictionaries all prove my position. the dictionaries prove that socialism is "government" by definition. the only rational argument beyond that is to what degree is government socialized and or capitalized. Anything government regulates, government has taken ownership of, because government writes every law that controls the means of production and distribution of it. There are only two types of control of production and distribution, socialist and capitalist. If there are others, I'll be interested in being educated about them/it.I could go on here but I have a problem with you trying to prove something is socialist by calling it socialist, that is circular reasoning.
Such as?You have seriously misunderstood what I said. You're saying that because I deny something to be true that that proves it to be true. Tighten up your game.
"Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."
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