Why It Is So Important To Be Nice And Cordial In Your Posting

[PoliTalker]

Hello Frank,

If you say so. I've certainly not seen it.

Other than Ocasio Corte...please quote any Democratic politician touting how liberal he/she is.

Even Bernie Sanders didn't do that.

Andrew Gillum ran as a socialist, campaigned with Bernie. He is now in a very closer recount and could possibly emerge as Florida's next governor.

[montgomery]

The Republican Senate could declare that it's not a recount, it's cheating, and that will be the beginning of the end of your democracy. Those who are paying attention will know that Trump has already suggested cheating to set the stage. Better that it happens sooner than later, while the people still have a little bit of will to rise up and fight.

But once it starts it's going to go quickly now that Trump has the highest court in the land in his pocket.

What a show America is putting on for the world, and it's free too.

[Cypress]

You would get the same discussion with me sitting on my couch and sipping a beer


all my good friends cuss up a storm


most people younger than me do too


pretending that dirty words don't exist is silly

To each their own.

Actually, I have to admit that your insults are pretty funny.

[Nordberg]

If you say so. I've certainly not seen it.

Other than Ocasio Corte...please quote any Democratic politician touting how liberal he/she is.

Even Bernie Sanders didn't do that.

Sanders is a socialist. Cortez could not have claimed she was one actually win. Rashida Tlaib was far far right in Michigan. here are Penn far leftys. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...ft-of-them-all

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

Posting on here is not about me

its about killing lies

On sites lie this I can hand out facts and truth to way more humans than I could as an old lady in person.

I post as a public service

I love the subject of Politics

I am very informed

those are my talents

To help the world you need to rely on your talents.

In person Im a warm and fuzzy 60 year old lady


I have always had the handicap of being very hourglass shaped and seen as someone incapable of intellect


Yes this life time tomgirl who never dressed for sexy could NEVER escape the shape that my genes gave me


Guys have gone goggle eyed all my life


even though my face is merely average

no make up

Nothing but comfort clothes like jeans and sweats and T shirts all my life


I even hate jewelry (metal feels creepy on my skin)



People are always blown away at who I am inside


My good nature and my big boobs and round ass get silly people to automatically assume Im nothing more than those things.


You would be blown away here how sweet I am in person


Only drug dealers and assholes know my intolerance and fierceness in the face of wrong doing


I greet all new people to me as soon to be friends


those that after knowing me refuse to give up the vacuous bomb shell image just get heaved by the wayside politely.


those who just love me more after knowing whats inside become life long friends

Big boobs and bombshell look never stopped Nancy Pelosi.

She didn't have to go online to get recognized for her abilities to serve the public.

And she constantly and consistently converses in a manner of civil discourse.

I am going to have to maintain that her approach has done a lot more for the public than using vulgarity in 'killing lies,' (which really doesn't change anybody's view.)

You see, you and I are here for very different reasons. (And that's OK.)

I don't expect to change any minds. If that happens, and I have helped in that, I'm glad. But we have no way of really knowing that happened. It's not like a participant here is suddenly going to 'give it up,' and swap sides. I view it as more of an incremental thing. If I can just connect with one mind somewhere and cause that mind to reconsider one aspect of something, maybe down the road, possibly entertain some self doubt about the strength of a position, blah blah. That would be cool, I guess. But there's never any confirmation of anything like that happening. I come here to stay immersed in the issues, stay informed, get a feel for the motivation behind why people believe what they do, and to brainstorm ideas for correcting some of the issues, some of the really big problems.

I'd like to see forums like this pose more of a contribution to the political process. The brainstorming potential here is off the charts. There are some really smart well informed people here. If we could just quit the bitter bickering and actually talk about ideas, we could churn out some possibly hopeful and potentially promising solutions. Seems like such a waste, sometimes, when the discussions are really good, and it just scrolls right off into oblivion as quickly as the flames. Well, actually, if I get inspired enough about something, I will jot off a note to a Rep or Senator. I imagine others do the same sometimes, but I wonder how much?

Our political process depends on the people contacting their representatives. Not enough of that goes on, so our representatives generally listen to the ones who contact them the most: Industry. During the campaigns they talk about worker rights in public, but then after the election they talk about industry perks behind closed doors. The more people we have involved, the weaker the pressure from industry is relative to public pressure.

Being mean, nasty and vulgar to newcomers in chat rooms, driving them off, doesn't inspire more people to get involved in the political process.

[Frank Apisa]

Hello Frank,



Andrew Gillum ran as a socialist, campaigned with Bernie. He is now in a very closer recount and could possibly emerge as Florida's next governor.

Let 's try this again:

LIBERAL!

Here are two comments I wrote leading up to this:

"Other than Ocasio Corte...please quote any Democratic politician touting how liberal he/she is."

"I don't know that I've ever heard a Democrat in a primary contest say a variation of, "I am more liberal than my opponent." Liberal politicians...for the most part (not entirely)...shy away from any use of "I am a liberal." Just does not happen."


Yeah...there are people like Bernie and Gillum...who actually are even willing to use the word "socialist" or "democratic socialist"...RATHER THAN LIBERAL.

That is my point. It is the word that is avoided...because of the scorched Earth policy of American conservatives on it.

"Liberal" has been made one of those swear words for which you show so much contempt, Poli.

[Frank Apisa]

Sanders is a socialist. Cortez could not have claimed she was one actually win. Rashida Tlaib was far far right in Michigan. here are Penn far leftys. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...ft-of-them-all

I am talking about using the word "liberal"...

...and bragging about being "liberal."

There are American conservatives ALL OVER THE PLACE...dozens upon dozens of them who regularly BRAG to their voters that they are extremely conservative...that they are MORE CONSERVATIVE than their opponents in primary races. They uses the words CONSERVATIVE...AND MORE CONSERVATIVE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE LIBERAL POLITICIAN DO THAT USING THE WORD LIBERAL. AND IF THERE ARE ONE OR TWO...THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION.

Now can we stop this bullshit and acknowledge that what I am saying is right on the button.

OR...give us a link to some politicians BRAGGING that they are MORE LIBERAL than an opponent.

LIBERAL! Using that word.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Frank,

Let 's try this again:

LIBERAL!

Here are two comments I wrote leading up to this:

"Other than Ocasio Corte...please quote any Democratic politician touting how liberal he/she is."

"I don't know that I've ever heard a Democrat in a primary contest say a variation of, "I am more liberal than my opponent." Liberal politicians...for the most part (not entirely)...shy away from any use of "I am a liberal." Just does not happen."


Yeah...there are people like Bernie and Gillum...who actually are even willing to use the word "socialist" or "democratic socialist"...RATHER THAN LIBERAL.

That is my point. It is the word that is avoided...because of the scorched Earth policy of American conservatives on it.

"Liberal" has been made one of those swear words for which you show so much contempt, Poli.

You're right, of course. But the encouraging thing is that could change. Bernie took the pox off the world 'socialist.' Maybe now with people like Ocasio Cortez running successful campaigns featuring how unashamedly liberal they are, there can be some pride associated with that word. I see that as good news bad news. It's good that people are more willing to embrace the word (I do gladly,) but it seems the only way that is happening is a function of stronger polarization of the nation, which is troubling.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Frank,

I am talking about using the word "liberal"...

...and bragging about being "liberal."

There are American conservatives ALL OVER THE PLACE...dozens upon dozens of them who regularly BRAG to their voters that they are extremely conservative...that they are MORE CONSERVATIVE than their opponents in primary races. They uses the words CONSERVATIVE...AND MORE CONSERVATIVE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE LIBERAL POLITICIAN DO THAT USING THE WORD LIBERAL. AND IF THERE ARE ONE OR TWO...THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION.

Now can we stop this bullshit and acknowledge that what I am saying is right on the button.

OR...give us a link to some politicians BRAGGING that they are MORE LIBERAL than an opponent.

LIBERAL! Using that word.

Of course you are right. You know why that is, don't you? The right is MORE POLARIZED than the left.

The right operates on EXCLUSION and NEGATIVITY. The left operates on INCLUSION and HOPE.

The left reaches out to the middle. The right doesn't. That would be a sign of 'weakness.' There is a lot of ego associated with the right. They want this image of 'being tough.' That's why we have so many people on the right who don't want to engage in civil discourse. That mindset doesn't want to be in intellectual discussions. They just want to tell people off, unload their frustration (or try to.) I get that they are so busy telling themselves things which are not so that they cannot have a polite conversation with an individual who does not share belief in their propaganda. It's really hard to maintain a false belief when somebody is calmly speaking the truth. So they have to try to derail the conversation by going ugly.

Instead of reaching out to the middle and softening their positions, trying to create policy the people want, the right takes the rich old white guy hard line and then uses voter suppression and gerrymandering to try to rig elections.

There's a big difference in the way the two parties operate. The left tries to match their policy to the population. The right tries to force the population to conform to their policy.

[Nordberg]

The Repubs figured out how they could change peoples views by inculcation. They use terms like "death tax" for an estate tax. They call programs that help lots of people, programs they paid for "entitlements. Then repeat it over and over until it is part of our lexicon. That is why people now hate Pelosi and Hillary. They demonized them on TV , newspaper and speeches over and over. Ever hear of "crooked Hillary' That is what happened to Pelosi making her a devil in many peoples eyes. So the term Liberal was treated like a curse by the right for decades. It stuck. Norquist was the latest practioner of that. I think liberal will be salvaged. There are proud liberals now. I have always been one.

[Adolf_Twitler]

The Republican Senate could declare that it's not a recount, it's cheating, and that will be the beginning of the end of your democracy. Those who are paying attention will know that Trump has already suggested cheating to set the stage. Better that it happens sooner than later, while the people still have a little bit of will to rise up and fight.

But once it starts it's going to go quickly now that Trump has the highest court in the land in his pocket.

What a show America is putting on for the world, and it's free too.

The world loves the Our Cartoon President show!

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

The Repubs figured out how they could change peoples views by inculcation. They use terms like "death tax" for an estate tax. They call programs that help lots of people, programs they paid for "entitlements. Then repeat it over and over until it is part of our lexicon. That is why people now hate Pelosi and Hillary. They demonized them on TV , newspaper and speeches over and over. Ever hear of "crooked Hillary' That is what happened to Pelosi making her a devil in many peoples eyes. So the term Liberal was treated like a curse by the right for decades. It stuck. Norquist was the latest practioner of that. I think liberal will be salvaged. There are proud liberals now. I have always been one.

That's part of why so many conservatives have such a difficult time being nice on chat boards. Even if it is a strongly moderated one that doesn't matter. They have no problem showing their hatred while staying within the rules. They are seething with either out and out hatred, or disgust and disrespect. Even if a board has a 'no personal attacks' rule, they will constantly challenge it, some of them being banned for it. Sure there is plenty of hatred on the liberal side, but I see that as mostly reactionary to what is originating on the right. The left doesn't have hate radio, conservative pundits talking 24-7 about how horrible liberals are, making up and spreading conspiracy theories, droning on and on about the lack of liberal morals, etc. It really is a sad joke - far more conservatives are caught in scandals than liberals.

The Right Wing Spin Machine is all about spreading hatred, and it has worked. Now that the Republican Party is so hate filled, it's boiling over. It's about to melt down from the inside out. That's why well-principled conservative [NeverTrump] Max Boot, who supported Republicans for years, is now rooting for Democrats to decimate Republicans in the 2020 election. He hopes to see the Republican Party implode so it can be rebuilt on the values he has believed in all along.

Boot said of Trump, “His henchman has just been appointed acting attorney general, and even though he has not shut down the Mueller investigation, the odds are that Whitaker has access to Mueller’s files. That’s why I thought it was very ominous today when Donald Trump tweeted about the inner workings of the Mueller investigation. He’s never referred to the inner workings before. It raises the question, in my mind: does he have access to those inner workings? Does he know what Mueller has? If so, this is really a code red situation for the rule of law.”

Outgoing Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake has introduced a bill to protect Mueller’s investigation, and Boot told Baldwin it was “disgraceful” that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell won’t even bring Flake’s bill to the Senate floor.

“It’s just tragic how Republicans who claim to be invested in the Constitution are allowing Donald Trump to attack the rule of law in plain sight,” Boot told Baldwin.

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[stoned]

Geez, we are talking about a message board here not a debating society. I have been on a few and they are all the same being filled mostly with fanatics. Relax, have fun and let the rhetoric fly.

[Robo]

Because meanness is contagious!

When you're mean to somebody, it makes them feel bad. When people feel bad, they tend to be mean to somebody else.

If you're mean to somebody, they are very likely to go and be mean to somebody else.

And around and around it goes, feeling bad, being mean, until most people think: 'That's just the way it is.'

But it doesn't have to be that way. And it shouldn't. Why are we letting mean people set the tone? We don't have to.

Part of the problem with internet posting is you don't get to look people in the eye. There's no expression. Nothing about the way you say something. You don't get to add a smile or a look.

It's all about what is written. The written word conveys it all. Nothing is softened with a smile, a wink or a glint in the eye. The written word is the only thing there, so the written word carries more weight than the spoken word. Everything is about what is written. Mean words become meaner.

Your words carry more weight here. Mean words hit harder. We have to be more careful. It's a big responsibility, taking care of other people's feelings. And it's important. What goes around comes around.

If we really want to help our nation, work out issues, solve problems, share information, communicate effectively, cause people to ponder our own creative ideas; we need to be nicer.

Mean words cause many to simply stay away from this site. Others may return, but use the Ignore Feature. The fact that mean words cause so many to stop or reduce their participation tells us the effect. The consequences of using mean words result in people not talking. And not listening, not communicating. Did we come here to participate in communication or shut it down?

We came here to talk about politics, talk about the business of our nation; learn, share, understand.

All of that is impacted by being mean. Impacted negatively. It hurts. Yes, mean words hurt people, hurt conversations, hurt good communication.

Nice people are driven away. This becomes a place for mean people and mean conversations. And that is exactly what we see, what others see, what turns off people who wander in here, sends them away, keeps this place limited; held back; less than it can be.

Most people don't want to talk about politics. We are unusual. We are willing to come here and talk about politics. That makes us special, rare. We all know people in real life that we can't talk politics with. We save our comments and bring them here because political comments are welcome here. We are the ones who care enough about what is going on in our country to come here and talk about it all. That makes it even more important that our conversations accomplish something beneficial. Being mean, turning people off, driving away positive contributions to the conversations is counteractive to helping our nation.

Standard anti-troll thread thief disclaimer:

If we care so much about what is going on in our country to come here and discuss politics, why do we allow ourselves to be so mean that it shuts down good discussions and instead turns into stupid flame wars with strangers over the internet? Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

And helping our nation improve is why we are all here. We can all think of ideas to help our nation. We come here to share them, talk about what we can do.

Being mean undoes the good we accomplish by coming here and sharing.

Some people around here need to give their attitude a tune up.

Why are you here? To share bad feelings? If so, why? What does it do for you to make other people feel bad? If there is ANY benefit to being mean, how long does that feeling last? Is it truly rewarding? Does it make you feel content? That fleeting little endorphin rush from being able to let loose with your anger. Does that really do any good? Maybe you should just stop and think about the big picture of what you are doing.

Maybe you need to examine just why you act mean. What are you trying to accomplish? Sounds like a cry for help from a messed up mind to me.

The we/they thing is real strong here. WE are the good guys; and THEY are the bad guys. We have to fight the bad guys so our goodness can reign. Right? Is that it?

Well if that's the motivation then the next logical question is if you are the good guys, how does being mean make you good?

Mean people suck. No part of being good involves being mean. Being mean is being bad. Be good. Be nice!

Don't be mean.

Respect other people as you would like to be respected yourself.

It's the golden rule.

And it makes sense.

For the good of humankind.

Being nice is the right thing to do.

But this is the "IDIOT" forum. This is where idiots come to reveal their juvenile brain power and nasty sandbox disposition. It's actually fun here a humorous laugh a minute.

[PoliTalker]

Hello stoned,

Geez, we are talking about a message board here not a debating society. I have been on a few and they are all the same being filled mostly with fanatics. Relax, have fun and let the rhetoric fly.

No probLEM, mon.

Just using what's available to make the most of it. A message board is a place to share ideas. This thread is an idea that turned into a popular subject. It's all good.