Oneuli (11-15-2018)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Oneuli (11-15-2018)
Thanks. I'm a terrible public speaker, so that isn't going to happen. I've thought about getting involved in a behind-the-scenes capacity. The problem is my professional experience and academic training, in finance, would probably not win me over many friends on the left, despite my liberal outlook. In the present context, I'd be dismissed as a "Wall Street Democrat," or something like that, even though I think my inside perspective would be useful for designing Wall Street reform.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Every citizen of the CSA took part in secession. There were secessionist conventions held in all of the states that became part of the CSA. Those conventions expressed a strong belief in the institution of slavery. By the same token, every American universally takes part in the principles of the Declaration and the structure of the Constitution.
This is different from the forcible introduction of Marxism into Russia by men like Lenin and Stalin. I'm typically more inclined to blame the German people for what the Nazis did.
Citizens of the CSA were not previously oppressed, and neither were they a minority. To claim otherwise is a stupid lie.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
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Hello Oneuli,
I think you should pursue it. Maybe as a speech writer / issue researcher / public outreach. I worked on the Obama presidential campaigns. Very rewarding and I definitely felt like I made a difference, brought in more votes. I should have campaigned for Bernie. I was a little tied up with too much going on then, so I now wish I had made it more of a priority. I may get involved again for 2020.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Oneuli (11-15-2018)
I can judge something without attempting to shame a person for his decision. All the Trump supporters would try to shame Hillary voters and Clinton supporters would try to shame Trump voters. I don't think you would change any minds, both sides are convinced the other has made an immoral decision, and it would create destructive actions.
PoliTalker (11-16-2018)
That may be the purpose, but it only creates hateful conflict. Should we also shame those who want to deny free speech to those putting up the monument?
I still think ignoring it is better than calling attention to it--the less publicity the better. Most people don't even know what it is.
PoliTalker (11-16-2018)
I think the monument created the hateful conflict. The question is whether the field should be ceded to the racists without a fight (knowing full well that such uncontested racism will influence the culture in a way that will cause such attitudes to seep into the minds of young people unquestioned). I'd say no. I think there's value in making it clear that the bigots behind that monument are pariahs in the minds of decent people everywhere.
Who wants to deny them free speech?Should we also shame those who want to deny free speech to those putting up the monument?
I don't see a reason to believe that ignoring it will be better than standing up to it. The issue here isn't whether they should have free speech or not. The issue is whether those who disagree with them should self-censor, so as not to upbraid the tender sensibilities of the racists. I'm fine with both sides speaking their minds, and let the better ideas win out. I don't think we should create a protective bubble around racists so they don't have to hear anyone who disagrees with them.I still think ignoring it is better than calling attention to it--the less publicity the better. Most people don't even know what it is.
PoliTalker (11-16-2018)
Oneuli (11-15-2018)
Yep. It's bizarre. Basically, the message is "It's OK for me to celebrate people who betrayed this country and murdered its soldiers in order to try to expand a system where they could rape and kill black people to their heart's content, but it's not OK for you to point out the problems with me doing so, because that would hurt my feelings." Bizarre stuff.
Minister of Truth (11-15-2018), PoliTalker (11-16-2018), rjhenn (11-19-2018)
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Flash (11-15-2018)
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