Why should this 9/11 terrorist walk free when my son will never come home?

**kudzu** · 11-01-2018, 10:24 AM

Over the past decade, the relationship between India and Saudi Arabia has grown stronger, attaining the level of a strategic partnership and incorporating more political and security content. Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Riyadh in April 2016 further bolstered the bilateral relationship, laying the basis for deepening existing ties and broadening the parameters of cooperation. This essay discusses the progressive development of the bilateral relationship. It looks first at the landmark visits that have laid the foundation and supplied the momentum for progress in the relationship. The essay focuses on five pillars of cooperation: trade and investment, energy relations, overseas employment, defense and security ties, and cultural interaction.

In January 2006, King Abdullah became the first Saudi monarch to visit India in 51 years. Thus began what both sides generally regard as “a new era” in the bilateral relationship.

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https://www.mei.edu/publications/ind...teral-dynamics

**kudzu** · 11-01-2018, 10:38 AM

Over the past decade, the relationship between India and Saudi Arabia has grown stronger, attaining the level of a strategic partnership and incorporating more political and security content. Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Riyadh in April 2016 further bolstered the bilateral relationship, laying the basis for deepening existing ties and broadening the parameters of cooperation. This essay discusses the progressive development of the bilateral relationship. It looks first at the landmark visits that have laid the foundation and supplied the momentum for progress in the relationship. The essay focuses on five pillars of cooperation: trade and investment, energy relations, overseas employment, defense and security ties, and cultural interaction.

In January 2006, King Abdullah became the first Saudi monarch to visit India in 51 years. Thus began what both sides generally regard as “a new era” in the bilateral relationship.

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https://www.mei.edu/publications/ind...teral-dynamics

**Tkaffen** · 11-01-2018, 10:49 AM

Fool

**MAGA MAN** · 11-01-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by floridafan

Is the Boston herald considered main stream media?

The Herald has a much smaller circulation vs. the Boston Globe. How far down was it buried?

**crowonapost** · 11-01-2018, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by kudzu

Too many Americans are ignorant..9-11 was Osama Bin Laden and AQ.. the foundation of their beliefs are Muslim Brotherhood, NOT Wahhabi.

OBL wanted to punish the Saudis for revoking his citizenship and declaring AQ a terrorist organization in 1994.

True but the Wahhabi schools taught extremism and literally where educating on how to become terrorists. Further that form of Islam in itself is extremist.
Also a strong argument can be made that Osama Bin Laden was having a dispute with the royalty about unpaid construction work as well and decided the best way to fuck with them was to attack the United States their money....

**Truth Detector** · 11-01-2018, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Havana Moon

Why indeed, the bastard should have never been let out!! I am truly surprised that this isn't a major story stateside.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...come-home.html

Terrorists gotta love that European justice system. Another good reason for the death penalty? ::shrugs::

**Joe Capitalist** · 11-01-2018, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by kudzu

That's not really true.. Its political BS.. All Muslims follow sufis with a small s.. and KSA hasn't much interest in India.

Liars are always ramping up fear and trying to sell something that will unite the sheep.

Unfortunately, either Havana Moon is lying and knows he's lying or he's just too stupid to know a lie when he sees one.

sad

**cancel2 2022** · 11-01-2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by kudzu

That's not really true.. Its political BS.. All Muslims follow sufis with a small s.. and KSA hasn't much interest in India.

Liars are always ramping up fear and trying to sell something that will unite the sheep.

Sorry but it is bloody true, whether you like it or not!! Oh and it was a BBC documentary series called the House of Saud: A Family at War, you think that you know everything about KSA but you obviously don't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09m53py

**kudzu** · 11-01-2018, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Havana Moon

Sorry but it is bloody true, whether you like it or not!! Oh and it was a BBC documentary series called the House of Saud: A Family at War, you think that you know everything about KSA but you obviously don't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09m53py

Christians, Indians and Trump all do this .. competing for victim status. You fell for it.

**cancel2 2022** · 11-01-2018, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich

Unfortunately, either Havana Moon is lying and knows he's lying or he's just too stupid to know a lie when he sees one.

sad

Who rattled your cage?

**cancel2 2022** · 11-01-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by kudzu

Christians, Indians and Trump all do this .. competing for victim status. You fell for it.

Yeh bullshit, I go with the documentary if you don't mind.

**kudzu** · 11-01-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by crowonapost

True but the Wahhabi schools taught extremism and literally where educating on how to become terrorists. Further that form of Islam in itself is extremist.
Also a strong argument can be made that Osama Bin Laden was having a dispute with the royalty about unpaid construction work as well and decided the best way to fuck with them was to attack the United States their money....

You know any Wahhabis?

OBL didn't do any construction work for the royal family.. HAHAHAHA.. He never worked a day in his life.

You boneheads come up with some real crap.

**Oneuli** · 11-01-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Havana Moon

Why indeed, the bastard should have never been let out!! I am truly surprised that this isn't a major story stateside.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...come-home.html

Better to rely on news from places other than a disgraced British tabloid. Here's coverage from the time of his conviction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/w...09germany.html

I haven't followed this closely, but it appears that a key issue was that it was never terribly clear how much he knew. Although German police wiretapped him, at the time, they never found anything incriminating, and he maintained his innocence. The ultimate case against him relied on evidence extracted (under torture?) from other suspects.

My understanding is that prosecutors established, from that evidence, that he knew about the plan to hijack planes, but not what the plan was about what to do with them. In light of past hijacking practices, he may well have expected they'd just be flown somewhere as a kind of kidnapping, in order to allow negotiation of demands. As such, he ended up being convicted as an accessory with regard to the deaths of those on the plane (since he should have understood what a grave risk he was subjecting them to, even if he didn't understand the plan to use the planes as weapons), but not the overall 9/11 attack. Basically, he got a sentence commensurate with the crime he thought he was participating in, not the one he was actually participating in.

**Oneuli** · 11-01-2018, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Terrorists gotta love that European justice system. Another good reason for the death penalty? ::shrugs::

It's unclear that the death penalty would represent any more deterrent than life in prison would. In fact, it may be less of a deterrent for terrorists, since there's a certain attraction for martyrdom, rather than the indignity of a lifetime of confinement.

**cancel2 2022** · 11-01-2018, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

Better to rely on news from places other than a disgraced British tabloid. Here's coverage from the time of his conviction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/w...09germany.html

I haven't followed this closely, but it appears that a key issue was that it was never terribly clear how much he knew. Although German police wiretapped him, at the time, they never found anything incriminating, and he maintained his innocence. The ultimate case against him relied on evidence extracted (under torture?) from other suspects.

My understanding is that prosecutors established, from that evidence, that he knew about the plan to hijack planes, but not what the plan was about what to do with them. In light of past hijacking practices, he may well have expected they'd just be flown somewhere as a kind of kidnapping, in order to allow negotiation of demands. As such, he ended up being convicted as an accessory with regard to the deaths of those on the plane (since he should have understood what a grave risk he was subjecting them to, even if he didn't understand the plan to use the planes as weapons), but not the overall 9/11 attack. Basically, he got a sentence commensurate with the crime he thought he was participating in, not the one he was actually participating in.

Who says it is disgraced, you? I don't believe that he was just an innocent sap, he should have been extradited to the US! Oh and I could have posted the sort kind of article from a dozen different sources but no doubt you'll not find one that isn't 'disgraced'. By the way, did you know that Mounir el-Motassadeq trained at an AQ terror camp in Afghanistan, I bet not?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...gkLTVP&ampcf=1