Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Regulate capitalism more stringently.
You need to explain yourself here. What do you mean more stringently? You really want the incompetent, inept, inefficient government to get their hands on our capitalist free market economy?
No, I want competent, effective, efficient government to make appropriate laws to keep up with the creative crooks, and prevent them from wreaking havoc on society and the markets.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
I surely don't. Capitalism is what made America great. Not our bloated, wasteful government.
I have no problem with properly regulated capitalism. Capitalism is a very powerful engine of innovation. But like any engine it cannot be run at full blast all the time or it will blow up. Capitalism has a well established habit of crashing in repeated cycles, so we need to plan on that and have our government ready to throttle it back for more reliable economic power. If our government is not doing the job we need, that falls upon us. We create our own government with our involvement. If the citizens are shirking their duty to remain properly informed and instead are voting against their own better interest, then that is not government's fault, but that of the people. Because our self-government is a reflection of We, The People. It is not some kind of enemy. It is something we created and need to manage, something which can make our lives better. We, as Americans, are better off than others in the world because of our government.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Because big money spends more on Republicans. Some Dems don't take dirty money. Dems are more accepting of creative ideas. Republicans drum out those who do not fall into line.
You're extremely naive if you don't think democrats are as 'dirty' as republicans. There is essentially no difference in their fraud and corruption.
Actually, there is more fraud in the Republican Party, but it is also found in the Dems as well. Once again, it is up to we, the people to monitor what our representatives and leaders are doing. The problem with Republicans is the policy they pursue is bad for the middle class.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Two things in life are inevitable. Death and taxes. Trying to reduce the debt without collecting enough taxes is like trying to eat cake and lose weight. Sounds great but it doesn't work.
I agree but I'd rather have less taxes and less spending. Trump is cutting taxes. [Irresponsibly, because that also cuts needed revenue.] The cutting of the corporate tax rate was the right thing to do [not - it reduced possible revenue, gave it to the rich hwo didn't need it instead] but then he continued to spend and it increased this year's deficit after President Obama decreased the annual deficit every year he was in office. If you don't reduce spending along with taxes, you're just adding to the debt which is never a good thing.
There is no appreciable area of spending which can be cut except military, which you guys never want to do. If you cut the social safety net, that cuts consumer spending and hurts the economy.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Actually, redistribution has worked very well. We simply don't have enough of it. Wealth inequality is growing dangerously extreme. The poor in America have it better than most nations (excepting health care.) If it were not for our socialist safety net, capitalism would not provide for these people.
I couldn't disagree more. Prove to me how redistribution of wealth has worked very well. Show me a major country where it's worked well. For every dollar we are taxed for welfare, how much do you think actually goes to help the poor? I suspect a very small percentage. I'm fine with helping people who truly need it but the federal government is just to big, inefficient and riddled with fraud to help those who need it. Should be done at the state/local level.
If it doesn't work, then why do you want it to be done at the State level? Or is that code for end it at the federal level and then vote against it at the State level.... Really, you want to just cut the poor off, let them starve, let them get thrown out of their homes to be beggars on the street. Is that what you want to see? Don't you think we would see an increase in crime from that? All those people with no income? Wouldn't some of them resort to stealing? Then what are you going to do, lock them up? With what money? Do you think God pays for prisons and courts or is it taxpayers? If our bloated prison system is expanded further (and such expansion would be for-profit under Trump) that is going to mean more taxes have to be paid to pay for that. Where are those new taxes going to come from? You? You want to pay higher taxes to have more prisons? Is that the goal? Lock up all the poor black people and pay higher taxes to keep them locked up?
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
I have never seen a rich man made poor by taxes.
Why do you carry so much animosity towards the rich.
I don't.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
You act like wealthy people are insensitive, uncompassionate, greedy, avaricious slimeballs.
The ones who support the Class War are like that. The ones who don't are not. Wealth has nothing to do with it. Morals are what impress me.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
That's impressive, but there is not enough giving there to supplant what the government does.
I see Bill Gates and Warren Buffett on there (Warren Buffett has repeatedly said publicly the rich should be taxed more,) but I don't see Trump or any of the Republicans who want to cut the safety net on that list.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
I bet they can help those in need a lot more efficiently than the federal government. We've had this argument before. You don't help people move out of poverty by rewarding them for being poor. I'm fine with job training and the like but not giving them a free place to live and monthly stipend. You just keep them in the same cycle of poverty.
Saving somebody from starving to death, sheltering somebody from the cold, is not 'rewarding them for being poor.' It is showing human compassion, helping them to get on their feet.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Who ever said life was fair?
Exactly. Life isn't fair. So why try to make it fair by taxing the rich and giving to the poor?
Because it is the right thing to do.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
In America, we're free to be rich and we're free to be poor. Anybody in America can be successful if they do three things:
Educate yourself
Work hard
Obey the law
Opportunity is not equal. Donald Trump was born into wealth, had it given to him from birth. Lost millions, but was always given another chance. Somebody born in the ghetto to a single drug mom does not have that same opportunity. They will be inducted into a gang before they can get an education, before they have a chance to get educated, work and obey the law. This all happens while still in childhood, but they are plagued by that upbringing for life. What is such an individual to do to be successful? Figure out that by age 7 they need to run away and go find a foster home which will allow them to avoid the pressures of street life for a child in the ghetto?
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
That's what makes America great. Many Americans who grew up in poverty, rose from poverty by doing the three things above. And many billionaires who started out poor became wealthy by adhering to these three rules.
More billionaires started out with a silver spoon in their mouth.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Capitalism is what makes America great. Not our federal government.
Both do.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
The worst thing that could befall our country is have the federal government tax our economy into bankruptcy.
Taxes are currently so low that is the furthest thing from reality imaginable. Besides. An economy does not 'go bankrupt.' Our government could very well do so if we don't fill the coffers with revenue.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
The federal government has proven they are incompetent with budgets.
Our government is a reflection of We, The People. We created that government. We elected the office holders. If our government is not performing adequately IT IS OUR FAULT.
We need to become better informed, make better voting decisions, become more involved, monitor what our government is doing, support more investigative journalism. We have a self-government. If our government is not what we want it to be it falls upon us to fix it. It is wrong to hate government, think of government as some kind of enemy, blame government for our own failures. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
Just look at the $20 trillion national debt. That affects everybody in America negatively. There's nothing good about a $20 trillion debt. There will reach a breaking point, a point of no return, much like Global Warming.
The tax cut for the rich did this to us. The deficit was much lower before that frivolous and irresponsible tax cut. The CBO said, before it was ever voted on, that it would raise the deficit. Republicans had no plan to control the debt, voted for the tax cut for the rich anyway. The debt has risen, just as predicted. No social programs were installed since then. The fault lies squarely on the tax cut.
Originally Posted by
DonaldvoTrumpovich
The answer is less spending, not more taxes. Raising taxes is never the right answer.
Raising taxes is the right answer when we are not collecting enough of them to pay the bills. We cannot always cut taxes without raising the debt. If you cut taxes too much and make taxes zero, the government operates completely on borrowed money. That can't work. There comes a point where taxes are just too low. We have reached that point. We must raise taxes primarily on the rich. If you object to that then you must be rich and don't want your own taxes raised, thinking only of yourself. Either that or you are foolishly doing the dirty work for the rich while voting against your own better interest.
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