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    Fuck taxpayers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Oh my wife and I qualified when we were first married, and had our first son said no thanks, we'll just work hard and it will work out it did. My mother did the same after my dad and her got divorced, she worked two jobs! Oh and he paid his child support.
    You are retarded if you qualified for the program and did not take it when you needed it. That's what it's for. I respect you less now. You're just a self righteous creep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Hello thank you for your response.
    What policy is that? Why do you suppose that democrats do care more? They say they do but take the same money from lobbyists and from big corps. Anything else, also when they are being so generous why do they do it with other peoples money, redistribution doesn't work. eventually we all end up being poor how is that fair to people who work so hard. these are questions I am not being sarcastic. Also do you care about all people, including those in the womb?

    They govern sanely and resonsibly instead of through demagoguery and slogans.
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    It's a matter of character, Republicans are in general very bad people with poor character.
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    Regulate capitalism more stringently.

    You need to explain yourself here. What do you mean more stringently? You really want the incompetent, inept, inefficient government to get their hands on our capitalist free market economy? I surely don't. Capitalism is what made America great. Not our bloated, wasteful government.

    Because big money spends more on Republicans. Some Dems don't take dirty money. Dems are more accepting of creative ideas. Republicans drum out those who do not fall into line.

    You're extremely naive if you don't think democrats are as 'dirty' as republicans. There is essentially no difference in their fraud and corruption.

    Two things in life are inevitable. Death and taxes. Trying to reduce the debt without collecting enough taxes is like trying to eat cake and lose weight. Sounds great but it doesn't work.

    I agree but I'd rather have less taxes and less spending. Trump is cutting taxes. The cutting of the corporate tax rate was the right thing to do but then he continued to spend and it increased this year's deficit after President Obama decreased the annual deficit every year he was in office. If you don't reduce spending along with taxes, you're just adding to the debt which is never a good thing.

    Actually, redistribution has worked very well. We simply don't have enough of it. Wealth inequality is growing dangerously extreme. The poor in America have it better than most nations (excepting health care.) If it were not for our socialist safety net, capitalism would not provide for these people.

    I couldn't disagree more. Prove to me how redistribution of wealth has worked very well. Show me a major country where it's worked well. For every dollar we are taxed for welfare, how much do you think actually goes to help the poor? I suspect a very small percentage. I'm fine with helping people who truly need it but the federal government is just to big, inefficient and riddled with fraud to help those who need it. Should be done at the state/local level.

    I have never seen a rich man made poor by taxes.
    Why do you carry so much animosity towards the rich. You act like wealthy people are insensitive, uncompassionate, greedy, avaricious slimeballs.
    Do you know about this? https://givingpledge.org
    I bet they can help those in need a lot more efficiently than the federal government. We've had this argument before. You don't help people move out of poverty by rewarding them for being poor. I'm fine with job training and the like but not giving them a free place to live and monthly stipend. You just keep them in the same cycle of poverty.

    Who ever said life was fair?

    Exactly. Life isn't fair. So why try to make it fair by taxing the rich and giving to the poor?

    I care about people having freedom. Fetuses are not people. It is a very common mistake to call a fetus a baby. It's not a baby until it is born. It begins as a zygote, then becomes and embryo, then a fetus, and finally, upon actual birth, it becomes a baby and a person. I support freedom of choice. We have a free country. Freedom means voting. Voting is a choice. Therefore, freedom means choice. Freedom=Voting=Choice.

    I care about people having freedom as well. In America, we're free to be rich and we're free to be poor. Anybody in America can be successful if they do three things:
    Educate yourself
    Work hard
    Obey the law

    That's what makes America great. Many Americans who grew up in poverty, rose from poverty by doing the three things above. And many billionaires who started out poor became wealthy by adhering to these three rules. Capitalism is what makes America great. Not our federal government. The worst thing that could befall our country is have the federal government tax our economy into bankruptcy. The federal government has proven they are incompetent with budgets. Just look at the $20 trillion national debt. That affects everybody in America negatively. There's nothing good about a $20 trillion debt. There will reach a breaking point, a point of no return, much like Global Warming. The answer is less spending, not more taxes. Raising taxes is never the right answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lol grinds mad View Post
    It's a matter of character, Republicans are in general very bad people with poor character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lol grinds mad View Post
    It's a matter of character, Republicans are in general very bad people with poor character.
    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...lent-rhetoric/

    A California resident attacked California GOP congressional candidate Rudy Peters with a switchblade. Witnesses said the assailant was spewing profanity-laced remarks about Trump and the Republican Party.

    A Republican Party office in Laramie, Wyoming caught fire — in what officials suspect was arson — just days after it opened.

    A deranged driver repeatedly rammed his truck into a local Fox News affiliate in Dallas, Texas

    Also this week, a leftist threatened to commit mass slaughter at a "Make America Great" event at Trump's hotel in DC. "I am coming with a gun and i expect to get numerous bloodstained MAGA hats as trophies," the unnamed Twitter account holder tweeted.

    Breitbart started collecting examples of attacks on Republicans and Trump supporters in recent months. Their list is now over 550. In the past couple days, someone spat at a Hispanic immigrant woman wearing a Trump hat. A black man got kicked out of a bar for the same offense

    Also this week, Broadway celebrity Carole Cook told a TMZ reporter in reference to Trump, "Where's John Wilkes Booth when you need him?" She's hardly the first celebrity to call for Trump's assassination.

    Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Wolverine,

    Well? You wanted my take on it.



    We don't need proof to take the wise precaution of assuming it is real and human-caused. It is foolish to risk our habitat.



    Absolutely. College tuition should be zero, paid by taxpayers, for those who get good grades and apply themselves. Having more college grads will boost the economy. The program will pay for itself.



    It is not a very rewarding job, but a tough one. It needs to pay well. People of that caliber can make far more in private enterprise.



    If that's all you hear it only shows you have not been listening.



    If it were that easy, why have Republicans not done so with full control of the government?

    Actually, redistribution has worked very well. We simply don't have enough of it. Wealth inequality is growing dangerously extreme. The poor in America have it better than most nations (excepting health care.) If it were not for our socialist safety net, capitalism would not provide for these people.



    The economy is doing well now. It has not provided enough taxes to keep up with spending. That is because of the tax cut for the rich. Taxes for the rich are too low. Besides, the socialist safety net DOES contribute to the economy. The recipients typically spend nearly 100% of what they receive. It goes directly into the economy. If there were no safety net all of that spending would halt, the economy would crash.



    Nobody is campaigning for a policy of having the government own everything. We can have socialism along with our capitalism. All we have to do is get the balance of the two correct. Socialism for needs, capitalism for wants.



    Wages are nearly flat, benefits have not increased. Many live paycheck to paycheck, have no savings. College debt has crushed the young.

    I have never seen a rich man made poor by taxes.



    Paying taxes is not punishment. It is an understandable requirement for being a citizen of a great country. We don't tax the rich enough, and our debt is rising because of it. The deficit is ballooning under Trump. He lied when he said he was going to pay off the debt. Total lie. He is adding to it in good economic times, very irresponsible. If you can't pay down the debt under a good economy you will never be able to during a recession.
    Thanks so you are a Socialist, it's cool at least you are honest, just a question since my wife and I currently have student loans we are paying off can we stop?
    They are being payed well enough without being bribed by lobbyists to do what is not in our best interest, and being allowed to inside trade!
    Tell me more about their platform that is sooooo good.
    What we need to do is cut spending, and decrease taxes!
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-...recession.html

    Robin Hood was fictional!
    Our deficit is increasing because of social programs.

    https://www.facebook.com/officialben...1396837340467/

    It is morally wrong to punish successful people to pay for your social justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol grinds mad View Post
    You are retarded if you qualified for the program and did not take it when you needed it. That's what it's for. I respect you less now. You're just a self righteous creep.
    not everyone is like you, there is a certain pride with the dignity of taking care of yourself and yours, try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lol grinds mad View Post
    You are retarded if you qualified for the program and did not take it when you needed it. That's what it's for. I respect you less now. You're just a self righteous creep.
    Nothing self righteous about being willing to take care of yourself and not demand taxpayers be forced to do it because you won't.

    Interesting how you place freeloaders willing to demand others take care of them in higher regard than those who chose to do for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    not everyone is like you, there is a certain pride with the dignity of taking care of yourself and yours, try it.
    It's honorable, shows characters, and exhibits someone that isn't willing to give up when things get tough.

    It used to be when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Now, too many, believe when the going gets tough, you should run to the local welfare office and demand a handout.

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    Hello Wolverine,

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Thanks so you are a Socialist, it's cool at least you are honest, just a question since my wife and I currently have student loans we are paying off can we stop?
    Honesty is the best policy. I do advocate for socialism to be mixed with our capitalism, much as it has been since the 1930's, with appropriate improvements. I do advocate for some socialism to be mixed with our capitalism, but I am not a straight-up socialist. I also appreciate the benefits of capitalism. I do not advocate for the government to own all means of production. Socialism for needs, capitalism for wants, generally.

    Your financial decisions are yours to make. I would not purport to tell you how to meet your own financial obligations. I would argue that if you are contributing to our nation through your work, that it was in our nation's better interest to educate you and prepare you for that work. Just as we pay students a salary to attend West Point and the USNA, as well as paying their tuition and costs, and we then require them to serve their nation for a specified duration, we should do the same thing with doctors and other medial professionals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    They are being payed well enough without being bribed by lobbyists to do what is not in our best interest, and being allowed to inside trade!
    Glad to hear you are doing well. And if you are aware of insider trading and have specific information, I wish you would relate that to the appropriate authorities. If that is beyond their capacity then it is time to increase the government regulation of the financial markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Tell me more about their platform that is sooooo good.
    The goal is to stop wealth inequality from becoming more extreme. If the wealth of the rich grows faster than the general wealth, the 99% are losing ground. The gains are the top are coming at the cost of losses for the rest. How can that possibly play out well in the long run? It is a recipe for disaster. Eventually, those who work hard, yet are forced to go without, are going to revolt. That will be the end of the USA. You don't want to see the USA fall apart, do you? It takes all of us to make this country great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    What we need to do is cut spending, and decrease taxes!
    The fictional 'Laffer Curve' has a peak, you know. I believe we have crossed that peak and reached the point of diminished revenue from cutting taxes. You can only cut taxes so much and then it's too much. When taxes have been cut too much you don't get enough revenue, even when the economy is doing well. That is what has happened. The safety net was already in place before the tax cut, and the deficit was lower before the tax cut.

    The economy is doing well, but the revenue is not enough to pay the bills. We need to raise taxes, but mostly for the rich. The rich can afford it without impacting their lifestyle. The middle and poor cannot afford to pay much more, so it has to be the rich. Also, if we raise taxes on the middle or poor, that comes out of their spending and it hurts the economy. If we raise taxes on the rich, that does not affect their spending, so it doesn't impact the economy as much. So that's how we have to do it. Big tax hikes for the rich, very moderate ones for upper middle, tapering down to no tax hikes for the lower half. That will generate the needed revenue without hurting consumer spending or the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Our deficit is increasing because of social programs.
    That is incorrect. The deficit jumped after the tax cut for the rich. No new social programs have been initiated which caused the deficit to spike.

    Pure opinion, and highly slanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    It is morally wrong to punish successful people to pay for your social justice.
    Taxes are not a form of punishment. Looking at taxes as a form of punishment is wrong thinking. Taxes are necessary to pay for the government. We have a good government. It is our responsibility to pay for our wonderful government. You may disagree, but believe me, things could be worse. There are far worse governments than ours. It is wrong to hate our government and it is wrong to feel bad about paying taxes. We should pay our taxes with pride and a sense of responsibility and accomplishment. We did that. We are making America great when we pay our taxes.

    This is from your linked and highly biased article:

    The Atlanta Fed's Wage Growth Tracker index showed the year ended with a gain of 2.9 percent — off the eight-year peak of 3.9 percent in November 2016 right after the presidential election, but still well above the 1.6 percent crater in January 2010.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-...recession.html
    What a highly right-slanted article. The 8 year peak right after the presidential election came during President Obama's tenure, but the article bends over backwards giving all the credit to Trump. It has been well documented that President Obama did a good job of bringing us back from the brink of ruin during the long recovery from the Great Recession. Credit goes to Obama for that. The article is heavy on opinion and only supplies enough cherry-picked fact to support that opinion. I am telling you right now. The social safety net is off limits. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are off limits. If you try to cut these programs you are going to trigger the biggest turn-out of leftist voters this nation has ever seen (if that isn't about to happen already.) It is an affront to the 99% to give tax cuts to the super-rich, then turn around and say the government doesn't have enough money so we have to cut social programs. If you go there, it will be the end of Republican power. Just the talk of it may have already signed that party's epitaph. I hope you realize you are poking the bear. Just go ahead. Keep it up. See what happens.
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    Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Regulate capitalism more stringently.

    You need to explain yourself here. What do you mean more stringently? You really want the incompetent, inept, inefficient government to get their hands on our capitalist free market economy?
    No, I want competent, effective, efficient government to make appropriate laws to keep up with the creative crooks, and prevent them from wreaking havoc on society and the markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    I surely don't. Capitalism is what made America great. Not our bloated, wasteful government.
    I have no problem with properly regulated capitalism. Capitalism is a very powerful engine of innovation. But like any engine it cannot be run at full blast all the time or it will blow up. Capitalism has a well established habit of crashing in repeated cycles, so we need to plan on that and have our government ready to throttle it back for more reliable economic power. If our government is not doing the job we need, that falls upon us. We create our own government with our involvement. If the citizens are shirking their duty to remain properly informed and instead are voting against their own better interest, then that is not government's fault, but that of the people. Because our self-government is a reflection of We, The People. It is not some kind of enemy. It is something we created and need to manage, something which can make our lives better. We, as Americans, are better off than others in the world because of our government.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Because big money spends more on Republicans. Some Dems don't take dirty money. Dems are more accepting of creative ideas. Republicans drum out those who do not fall into line.

    You're extremely naive if you don't think democrats are as 'dirty' as republicans. There is essentially no difference in their fraud and corruption.
    Actually, there is more fraud in the Republican Party, but it is also found in the Dems as well. Once again, it is up to we, the people to monitor what our representatives and leaders are doing. The problem with Republicans is the policy they pursue is bad for the middle class.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Two things in life are inevitable. Death and taxes. Trying to reduce the debt without collecting enough taxes is like trying to eat cake and lose weight. Sounds great but it doesn't work.

    I agree but I'd rather have less taxes and less spending. Trump is cutting taxes. [Irresponsibly, because that also cuts needed revenue.] The cutting of the corporate tax rate was the right thing to do [not - it reduced possible revenue, gave it to the rich hwo didn't need it instead] but then he continued to spend and it increased this year's deficit after President Obama decreased the annual deficit every year he was in office. If you don't reduce spending along with taxes, you're just adding to the debt which is never a good thing.
    There is no appreciable area of spending which can be cut except military, which you guys never want to do. If you cut the social safety net, that cuts consumer spending and hurts the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Actually, redistribution has worked very well. We simply don't have enough of it. Wealth inequality is growing dangerously extreme. The poor in America have it better than most nations (excepting health care.) If it were not for our socialist safety net, capitalism would not provide for these people.

    I couldn't disagree more. Prove to me how redistribution of wealth has worked very well. Show me a major country where it's worked well. For every dollar we are taxed for welfare, how much do you think actually goes to help the poor? I suspect a very small percentage. I'm fine with helping people who truly need it but the federal government is just to big, inefficient and riddled with fraud to help those who need it. Should be done at the state/local level.
    If it doesn't work, then why do you want it to be done at the State level? Or is that code for end it at the federal level and then vote against it at the State level.... Really, you want to just cut the poor off, let them starve, let them get thrown out of their homes to be beggars on the street. Is that what you want to see? Don't you think we would see an increase in crime from that? All those people with no income? Wouldn't some of them resort to stealing? Then what are you going to do, lock them up? With what money? Do you think God pays for prisons and courts or is it taxpayers? If our bloated prison system is expanded further (and such expansion would be for-profit under Trump) that is going to mean more taxes have to be paid to pay for that. Where are those new taxes going to come from? You? You want to pay higher taxes to have more prisons? Is that the goal? Lock up all the poor black people and pay higher taxes to keep them locked up?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    I have never seen a rich man made poor by taxes.
    Why do you carry so much animosity towards the rich.
    I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    You act like wealthy people are insensitive, uncompassionate, greedy, avaricious slimeballs.
    The ones who support the Class War are like that. The ones who don't are not. Wealth has nothing to do with it. Morals are what impress me.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Do you know about this? https://givingpledge.org
    That's impressive, but there is not enough giving there to supplant what the government does.

    I see Bill Gates and Warren Buffett on there (Warren Buffett has repeatedly said publicly the rich should be taxed more,) but I don't see Trump or any of the Republicans who want to cut the safety net on that list.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    I bet they can help those in need a lot more efficiently than the federal government. We've had this argument before. You don't help people move out of poverty by rewarding them for being poor. I'm fine with job training and the like but not giving them a free place to live and monthly stipend. You just keep them in the same cycle of poverty.
    Saving somebody from starving to death, sheltering somebody from the cold, is not 'rewarding them for being poor.' It is showing human compassion, helping them to get on their feet.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Who ever said life was fair?

    Exactly. Life isn't fair. So why try to make it fair by taxing the rich and giving to the poor?
    Because it is the right thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    In America, we're free to be rich and we're free to be poor. Anybody in America can be successful if they do three things:
    Educate yourself
    Work hard
    Obey the law
    Opportunity is not equal. Donald Trump was born into wealth, had it given to him from birth. Lost millions, but was always given another chance. Somebody born in the ghetto to a single drug mom does not have that same opportunity. They will be inducted into a gang before they can get an education, before they have a chance to get educated, work and obey the law. This all happens while still in childhood, but they are plagued by that upbringing for life. What is such an individual to do to be successful? Figure out that by age 7 they need to run away and go find a foster home which will allow them to avoid the pressures of street life for a child in the ghetto?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    That's what makes America great. Many Americans who grew up in poverty, rose from poverty by doing the three things above. And many billionaires who started out poor became wealthy by adhering to these three rules.
    More billionaires started out with a silver spoon in their mouth.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Capitalism is what makes America great. Not our federal government.
    Both do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    The worst thing that could befall our country is have the federal government tax our economy into bankruptcy.
    Taxes are currently so low that is the furthest thing from reality imaginable. Besides. An economy does not 'go bankrupt.' Our government could very well do so if we don't fill the coffers with revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    The federal government has proven they are incompetent with budgets.
    Our government is a reflection of We, The People. We created that government. We elected the office holders. If our government is not performing adequately IT IS OUR FAULT.

    We need to become better informed, make better voting decisions, become more involved, monitor what our government is doing, support more investigative journalism. We have a self-government. If our government is not what we want it to be it falls upon us to fix it. It is wrong to hate government, think of government as some kind of enemy, blame government for our own failures. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Just look at the $20 trillion national debt. That affects everybody in America negatively. There's nothing good about a $20 trillion debt. There will reach a breaking point, a point of no return, much like Global Warming.
    The tax cut for the rich did this to us. The deficit was much lower before that frivolous and irresponsible tax cut. The CBO said, before it was ever voted on, that it would raise the deficit. Republicans had no plan to control the debt, voted for the tax cut for the rich anyway. The debt has risen, just as predicted. No social programs were installed since then. The fault lies squarely on the tax cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    The answer is less spending, not more taxes. Raising taxes is never the right answer.
    Raising taxes is the right answer when we are not collecting enough of them to pay the bills. We cannot always cut taxes without raising the debt. If you cut taxes too much and make taxes zero, the government operates completely on borrowed money. That can't work. There comes a point where taxes are just too low. We have reached that point. We must raise taxes primarily on the rich. If you object to that then you must be rich and don't want your own taxes raised, thinking only of yourself. Either that or you are foolishly doing the dirty work for the rich while voting against your own better interest.
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