Chance and the Sovereignty of God

[Grugore]

Does God control random events? You be the judge.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bibl...om-events.html

[Phantasmal]

Does control random events? You be the judge.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bibl...om-events.html

If he controlled them they wouldn’t be random. It would also negate free will.

[Grugore]

If he controlled them they wouldn’t be random. It would also negate free will.

How would it negate free will? I think God would be perfectly capable of influencing events without violating free will. Why couldn't He influence people into doing something they would have done anyway, or done earlier or later then they would have done it? Like meeting someone at a well. Maybe the lady decided to get up early, or procrastinate, and just happened to be there at the right time. Either way, she had to get some water. God simply made it possible that the two would meet. Also, notice God didn't force them to get married after meeting at the well.
For example, if two women are out shopping and one of them mentions a sale the other was unaware of, was her free will violated if she goes to that sale and buys something? No. It wasn't. Same thing. God just gives a little nudge here and there. But there is not one example of God forcing someone to do something against their will.

[Jack]

Does God control random events? You be the judge.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bibl...om-events.html

No.

[Phantasmal]

How would it negate free will? I think God would be perfectly capable of influencing events without violating free will. Why couldn't He influence people into doing something they would have done anyway, or done earlier or later then they would have done it? Like meeting someone at a well. Maybe the lady decided to get up early, or procrastinate, and just happened to be there at the right time. Either way, she had to get some water. God simply made it possible that the two would meet. Also, notice God didn't force them to get married after meeting at the well.
For example, if two women are out shopping and one of them mentions a sale the other was unaware of, was her free will violated if she goes to that sale and buys something? No. It wasn't. Same thing. God just gives a little nudge here and there. But there is not one example of God forcing someone to do something against their will.

Nope, sorry, if it is predestined it negates free will and a god knowing in advance what you are doing controlling the situation in any way cancels free will.

[Frank Apisa]

Does God control random events? You be the judge.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bibl...om-events.html

We do not even know if there are any gods...

...and you are asking if they control random events???

Make some sense, Grugore.

Attempt to, anyway.

[Jack]

(Oh boy. Another thread where Grugore stands alone ... with, as usual, egg on his face)

[NiftyNiblick]

What's your fucking problem, Grugore?

Don't bother answering.

I won't be able to read it anyway.

[Jack]

What's your fucking problem, Grugore?

Don't bother answering.

I won't be able to read it anyway.

'Jesus Freak'.