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    Default Obituary of Jamal Khashoggi - Daily Telegraph

    This is at odds with some of the stories that have been floated here recently.
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    Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist who is thought to have died in violent circumstances in Istanbul aged 59, had been for decades among the leading reporters and commentators on the affairs of the kingdom.

    He made his name locally in the late 1980s and early 1990s when, travelling as a foreign correspondent, he wrote for Saudi newspapers about the 1st Gulf War and in particular about the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    During his time there, he came to know Osama bin Laden, interviewing him at his hideout in the Tora Bora mountains and when he was living in Sudan. At the time, bin Laden, who was Saudi by birth, was a prominent member of the mujahideen resistance against the Soviets, much of it funded by the Saudis, then perturbed by the spread of Communism.

    Khashoggi accordingly developed close ties with the Saudi government, which used him as a link to bin Laden, and was believed by some to work for its intelligence services, probably as a source. Although he is said to have tried and failed to persuade bin Laden to renounce violence, Khashoggi still retained the ear of powerful members of the ruling house.

    In 1991, he became editor of Al Madina, one of Jeddah’s oldest newspapers, and in 1999 deputy editor-in-chief of the English language broadsheet, Arab News. Four years later, he was appointed editor of the newspaper Al Watan, only to be fired after a few months on the orders of the Ministry of Information. He had allowed a columnist to criticise the founder of Wahhabism, the conservative form of Sunni Islam which is the state religion of Saudi Arabia.

    Such rebuffs were to mark the remainder of his career. Khashoggi admitted that as a young man, at university in the US, he had joined the Muslim Brotherhood, the reformist movement begun in Egypt in the 1920s which was long supported by Saudi Arabia. He claimed to have since renounced it, but many of his writings revealed sympathy for a more secular and religiously pluralist kingdom.

    In 2003, he went into a form of exile by becoming media adviser to Prince Turki al-Faisal, then ambassador in London but formerly the head of the Saudi intelligence apparatus. Khashoggi was permitted in 2007 to return to Al Watan as editor but was dismissed a second time three years later in similar circumstances.

    In June 2017 Khashoggi fled Saudi Arabia for the US, supposedly with only two suitcases, after finding himself at odds with some of the policies of Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, who now wields power. Although he never positioned himself openly as opposing the prince, Khashoggi took the line in his writing that a crackdown on dissent, and participation in the war in Yemen, were not in the kingdom’s best interests.

    He was, he told the BBC in November, “worried for my country, my children and grandchildren – one-man rule is always bad, in any country”.

    Latterly, he had contributed a monthly column to the Washington Post (itself often at odds with President Trump). His last article (posthumously) called for greater free expression across the Arab world.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituari...ator-obituary/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    This is at odds with some of the stories that have been floated here recently.
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    Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist who is thought to have died in violent circumstances in Istanbul aged 59, had been for decades among the leading reporters and commentators on the affairs of the kingdom.

    He made his name locally in the late 1980s and early 1990s when, travelling as a foreign correspondent, he wrote for Saudi newspapers about the 1st Gulf War and in particular about the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    During his time there, he came to know Osama bin Laden, interviewing him at his hideout in the Tora Bora mountains and when he was living in Sudan. At the time, bin Laden, who was Saudi by birth, was a prominent member of the mujahideen resistance against the Soviets, much of it funded by the Saudis, then perturbed by the spread of Communism.

    Khashoggi accordingly developed close ties with the Saudi government, which used him as a link to bin Laden, and was believed by some to work for its intelligence services, probably as a source. Although he is said to have tried and failed to persuade bin Laden to renounce violence, Khashoggi still retained the ear of powerful members of the ruling house.

    In 1991, he became editor of Al Madina, one of Jeddah’s oldest newspapers, and in 1999 deputy editor-in-chief of the English language broadsheet, Arab News. Four years later, he was appointed editor of the newspaper Al Watan, only to be fired after a few months on the orders of the Ministry of Information. He had allowed a columnist to criticise the founder of Wahhabism, the conservative form of Sunni Islam which is the state religion of Saudi Arabia.

    Such rebuffs were to mark the remainder of his career. Khashoggi admitted that as a young man, at university in the US, he had joined the Muslim Brotherhood, the reformist movement begun in Egypt in the 1920s which was long supported by Saudi Arabia. He claimed to have since renounced it, but many of his writings revealed sympathy for a more secular and religiously pluralist kingdom.

    In 2003, he went into a form of exile by becoming media adviser to Prince Turki al-Faisal, then ambassador in London but formerly the head of the Saudi intelligence apparatus. Khashoggi was permitted in 2007 to return to Al Watan as editor but was dismissed a second time three years later in similar circumstances.

    In June 2017 Khashoggi fled Saudi Arabia for the US, supposedly with only two suitcases, after finding himself at odds with some of the policies of Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, who now wields power. Although he never positioned himself openly as opposing the prince, Khashoggi took the line in his writing that a crackdown on dissent, and participation in the war in Yemen, were not in the kingdom’s best interests.

    He was, he told the BBC in November, “worried for my country, my children and grandchildren – one-man rule is always bad, in any country”.

    Latterly, he had contributed a monthly column to the Washington Post (itself often at odds with President Trump). His last article (posthumously) called for greater free expression across the Arab world.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituari...ator-obituary/
    How is it at odds?

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    I am waiting for our JPP Russophobes to blame Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    How is it at odds?
    According to this account Khashoggi was not a childhood friend of bin Laden. He first met him when he was a journalist covering the anti-Soviet insurrection in Afghanistan.

    He was believed to work for Saudi intelligence as a link to bin Laden. He is said to have tried and failed to persuade bin Laden to renounce violence.

    He admitted that he joined the Muslim Brotherood as a student in the US, but claimed to have renounced it later. "Many of his writings revealed sympathy for a more secular and religiously pluralist kingdom."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    According to this account Khashoggi was not a childhood friend of bin Laden. He first met him when he was a journalist covering the anti-Soviet insurrection in Afghanistan.

    He was believed to work for Saudi intelligence as a link to bin Laden. He is said to have tried and failed to persuade bin Laden to renounce violence.

    He admitted that he joined the Muslim Brotherood as a student in the US, but claimed to have renounced it later. "Many of his writings revealed sympathy for a more secular and religiously pluralist kingdom."
    https://www.dcclothesline.com/2018/1...mal-khashoggi/

    Daniel Greenfield wrote that.. I would be inclined to believe it .. Khashoggis grandfather was personal physician to Ibn Saud and the bin Ladens were in close contact with the Sauds.

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    If it doesn't denigrate the victim of Saudi brutality then kudzu can't use it.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

    Maria Ressa.

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    It all sounds like a bad movie script. Surely there are better ways to assassinate someone than by luring him into a consulate, knowing that the victim's entrance will be videoed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    It all sounds like a bad movie script. Surely there are better ways to assassinate someone than by luring him into a consulate, knowing that the victim's entrance will be videoed.
    Not if you're an unscrupulous and arrogant regime used to killing your political enemies with impunity.

    Geez- even the president of the United States backed them.

    Until he didn't.

    Until he does again.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

    Maria Ressa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    https://www.dcclothesline.com/2018/1...mal-khashoggi/

    Daniel Greenfield wrote that.. I would be inclined to believe it.
    I note this in the article you cited:

    "The media will always take the side of Islamists over non-Islamists. That’s why it bleeds for Khashoggi."

    Do you believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Not if you're an unscrupulous and arrogant regime used to killing your political enemies with impunity.

    Geez- even the president of the United States backed them.

    Until he didn't.

    Until he does again.
    It is an unholy alliance to be sure. I have no confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    I note this in the article you cited:

    "The media will always take the side of Islamists over non-Islamists. That’s why it bleeds for Khashoggi."

    Do you believe that?
    I think its a bit of an overstatement... and I think they don't know much about the Muslim Brotherhood beliefs. They rightly defend freedom of the press, but Khashoggi's agenda if to set off Arab Spring scenarios in Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and the Emirates. IMO that would disrupt progress (or worse) and turn those countries into replicas of Libya and Syria.

    As for Islamists.......... I have watched them for over 70 years and I see what the Gulf Arabs are trying to do.. They are determined to come into modernity .. cautiously while hanging on to their traditions and culture.. IMO .. they don't have to be just like us.

    10 years ago the young educated clerics in Arabia with the backing of Salman and Abdullah announced that much of what passed for Islam was tribal customs that were not Islamic at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    If it doesn't denigrate the victim of Saudi brutality then kudzu can't use it.
    Cut the crap, moon.. The Saudis aren't brutal .. they are just more dedicated and successful than your countrymen... and they manage far better in terms of healthcare, education, clean water, infrastructure and job creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Cut the crap, moon.. The Saudis aren't brutal ..
    Horseshit. You're a moral train-wreck.
    They decapitate slaves and murder journalists who object.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    I note this in the article you cited:

    "The media will always take the side of Islamists over non-Islamists. That’s why it bleeds for Khashoggi."

    Do you believe that?
    Khashoggi certainly did.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...fering-for-it/
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Horseshit. You're a moral train-wreck.
    They decapitate slaves and murder journalists who object.
    Is your country that impoverished and illiterate?

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