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    Default Trump About to Play Putin Like a Fiddle

    Look for Trump to negotiate a new treaty with Russia that is a win-win for our military men and our defense industry that creates jobs for Americans.

    U.S. will pull out of nuclear weapons treaty with Russia

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ty-with-russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Look for Trump to negotiate a new treaty with Russia that is a win-win for our military men and our defense industry that creates jobs for Americans.

    U.S. will pull out of nuclear weapons treaty with Russia

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ty-with-russia
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    hvilleherb is lying, as all dim-witted trolls and cowards do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    hvilleherb is lying, as all dim-witted trolls and cowards do.
    Not fair. He actually believes the crap he says. He is a fan of Brietbart and Infowars. They are probably his sanest connections to the world. he reads some crazier ones than that.

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    jimmymccready hvilleherb is lying, as all dim-witted trolls and cowards do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Not fair. He actually believes the crap he says. He is a fan of Brietbart and Infowars. They are probably his sanest connections to the world. he reads some crazier ones than that.
    Then hvilleher is indeed dim-witted.

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    What could go wrong about another nuclear arms race? We almost blew the world up back when we made the deal. Idiots like vile want a nice jobs program making devices that can destroy life on the planet? What could go wrong with that? We should sell nukes to every nation that does not have them. Then MADD would be back bigger and better than ever. Think of the jobs and profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    jimmymccready hvilleherb is lying, as all dim-witted trolls and cowards do.
    Then hvilleher is indeed dim-witted.
    President Trump to pull US from Russia missile treaty - BBC News

    5 hours ago · The US will withdraw from a landmark nuclear weapons treaty with Russia, President Donald Trump has confirmed. Speaking to reporters, Mr Trump said Russia had "violated" the 1987 Intermediate ...


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45930206

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    What could go wrong about another nuclear arms race? We almost blew the world up back when we made the deal. Idiots like vile want a nice jobs program making devices that can destroy life on the planet? What could go wrong with that? We should sell nukes to every nation that does not have them. Then MADD would be back bigger and better than ever. Think of the jobs and profits.
    Signed by the US and the USSR in 1987, the arms control deal banned all nuclear and non-nuclear missiles with short and medium ranges, except sea-launched weapons
    The US had been concerned by the Soviet deployment of the SS-20 missile system and responded by placing Pershing and Cruise missiles in Europe - sparking widespread protests
    By 1991, nearly 2,700 missiles had been destroyed. Both countries were allowed to inspect the others installations
    In 2007, Russian president Vladimir Putin declared the treaty no longer served Russia's interests. The move came after the US withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002
    The last time the US withdrew from a major arms treaty was in 2002, when President George W Bush pulled the US out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which banned weapons designed to counter ballistic nuclear missiles.

    His administration's moves to set up a missile shield in Europe alarmed the Kremlin, and was scrapped by the Obama administration in 2009 to be replaced by a modified defence system in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Look for Trump to negotiate a new treaty with Russia that is a win-win for our military men and our defense industry that creates jobs for Americans.

    U.S. will pull out of nuclear weapons treaty with Russia

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ty-with-russia
    so when did you serve in the military hillbilly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    What could go wrong about another nuclear arms race? We almost blew the world up back when we made the deal. Idiots like vile want a nice jobs program making devices that can destroy life on the planet? What could go wrong with that? We should sell nukes to every nation that does not have them. Then MADD would be back bigger and better than ever. Think of the jobs and profits.
    hopefully someone will step forward and do the right thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    hvilleherb is lying, as all dim-witted trolls and cowards do.
    mccready? James mccready?
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    In 2007, Russian president Vladimir Putin declared the treaty no longer served Russia's interests. The move came after the US withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002
    yet another arms race. NATO is out of control.
    Russia "violated" because we built an ABM system that could be used for offensive missiles.

    But really they deployed "theater ballistic nukes" because they can't match our arms race. SS-20 equalizes that.

    Instead of negotiating DOWN theater nukes -we just escalated that too.

    All this horseshit is a product of US Russiaphobia, ginned up by eastern Europe.

    It's Cold War 2.0 -and it's extremely dangerous
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    U.S. to Tell Russia It Is Leaving Landmark I.N.F. Treaty
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/u...istration.html

    he Trump administration is preparing to tell Russian leaders next week that it is planning to exit the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, in part to enable the United States to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, according to American officials and foreign diplomats.

    President Trump has been moving toward scrapping the three-decade-old treaty, which grew out of President Ronald Reagan’s historic meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev in 1986. While the treaty was seen as effective for years, Russia has been violating it at least since 2014 .

    But the pact has also constrained the United States from deploying new weapons to respond to China’s efforts to cement a dominant position in the Western Pacific and to keep American naval forces at bay. Because China was not a signatory to the treaty, it has faced no limits on developing intermediate-range nuclear missiles, which can travel thousands of miles.

    The White House said that no official decision had been made to leave the treaty, known as I.N.F., which at the time of its signing was considered a critical step in defusing Cold War tensions. But in the coming weeks, Mr. Trump is expected to sign off on the decision, which would mark the first time he has scrapped an arms control treaty, the American officials said.

    Now that the treaty is largely in tatters, the question is whether the decision to leave it will accelerate the increasingly Cold War-like behavior among the three superpowers: the United States, Russia and China.

    As Russia has flown bombers over Europe and has conducted troop exercises on its borders with former Soviet states, the United States and its NATO allies have been rotating forces through countries under threat. Ukraine has become a low-level battleground, with ground skirmishes and a daily cyberconflict. China and the United States are jostling for position around reefs in the South China Sea that Beijing has turned into military bases, and they are both preparing for any possibility of war in space.

    For the past four years, the United States has argued that Russia is in violation of the treaty because it has deployed prohibited tactical nuclear weapons to intimidate European nations and former Soviet states that have aligned with the West. But President Barack Obama chose not to leave the agreement because of objections from the Europeans — particularly Germany — and out of concern that it would rekindle an arms race.

    Mr. Trump appears not to share such hesitation. His national security adviser, John R. Bolton, will warn the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, on a trip to Moscow early next week that the United States plans to leave the treaty, the American officials said.

    Mr. Bolton declined to comment on his forthcoming trip. But a senior administration official issued a statement saying that “Russia continues to produce and field prohibited cruise missiles and has ignored calls for transparency.”

    Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has publicly brought the subject up several times in recent weeks, saying that Russia’s violations were “untenable” and signaling that the administration was reviewing its options. The preparations to leave the treaty were described by foreign diplomats who have been briefed on the matter and by American officials with knowledge of the plans.

    In a lengthy nuclear strategy document published early this year, the administration detailed the Russian violations and concluded that the country’s “decision to violate the I.N.F. treaty and other commitments all clearly indicate that Russia has rebuffed repeated U.S. efforts to reduce the salience, role and number of nuclear weapons.”

    The Pentagon has already been developing nuclear weapons to match, and counter, what the Chinese have deployed. But that effort would take years, so, in the interim, the United States is preparing to modify existing weapons, including its non-nuclear Tomahawk missiles, and is likely to deploy them first in Asia, according to officials who have been briefed on the issue. Those may be based in Japan, or perhaps in Guam, where the United States maintains a large base and would face little political opposition.

    The last time the United States withdrew from a major nuclear arms control treaty was in 2002, when President George W. Bush fulfilled a campaign promise and scrapped the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. While Mr. Trump withdrew from the Obama-era deal with Iran this year, that agreement was not a treaty, and it governed only Iran’s production of nuclear materials. Tehran has no nuclear weapons.

    Mr. Bush’s pullout from the ballistic missile treaty led to a buildup of antimissile defenses — still an irritant in relations with Russia. But it also led to a modest arms control agreement with Russia, reducing the overall number of weapons possessed by each country.

    But such an agreement seems unlikely to emerge from the demise of the I.N.F. treaty. For cash-constrained Russia, tactical nuclear weapons, along with cyberweapons, are cheap offensive options. Just last week, Mr. Putin, in an annual speech, reported that Russia was preparing to deploy a new hypersonic missile, reinforcing the sense that the long hiatus in the nuclear arms race is over.
    Such missiles step around current arms control limits.

    Mr. Trump himself has not publicly criticized the Russian arms buildup, in line with his generally deferential approach toward Mr. Putin. But he is surrounded in the administration by hawks on the nuclear issue, none more outspoken than Mr. Bolton, and the administration’s decision to brief allies this week on the issue was viewed by key NATO partners as a sign that the decision had been made, even if it had not been formally acknowledged.

    The collapse of the treaty would likely open up a missile race in Europe and elsewhere,” said Hans M. Kristensen, the director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, a private group in Washington. “It would signal a new phase where countries would compete to deploy and counterdeploy weapons.
    Jon Wolfsthal, a nuclear expert on the National Security Council during the Obama administration, said a withdrawal would roil Europe.

    “Things are just now calming down,” he said. “This would be another hand grenade in the middle of NATO to split the allies.”

    The 1987 treaty between Washington and Moscow bans all land-based missiles with ranges of 500 to 5,500 kilometers, or 310 to 3,420 miles. Missiles that go that far are known as short- and intermediate-range. The treaty covers land-based missiles carrying both nuclear and conventional warheads. It does not cover air-launched or sea-launched weapons.

    The main impetus for the pact was Moscow’s deployments of the SS-20 — a mobile, concealable missile that could loft up to three nuclear warheads. When lifted into a vertical position atop its mobile launcher, the missile stood more than five stories high.

    It terrified the Europeans, and the treaty emerged as a compromise proposal at the historic 1986 summit meeting in Reykjavik, Iceland, where Mr. Gorbachev favored a ban on all ballistic missiles. Reagan demurred, intent on continuing work on the Strategic Defense Initiative, which he viewed as a shield against all attacks.

    The weapons ban — signed in Washington in December 1987 by both men — resulted in the destruction of 2,692 missiles. Washington demolished 846, and Moscow 1,846.

    The American side destroyed missiles it had sent to Western Europe in response to the SS-20, including Pershing II ballistic missiles and ground-launched cruise missiles. The low-flying weapons hug the ground to avoid enemy radars and air defenses.

    The Obama administration was the first to charge publicly that Moscow was violating the treaty. The offending weapon was identified as a land-based cruise missile, the SSC-8. Russia has consistently denied any violation.

    “The I.N.F. treaty was rightly viewed as a remarkable achievement by President Reagan when it was ratified over 30 years ago,” said Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, who has urged exiting the treaty, and is sometimes named as a possible replacement for Mr. Mattis. “But today the Russians are openly cheating, and the Chinese are stockpiling missiles because they’re not bound by it at all.”

    If the Trump administration leaves the treaty, it is likely to deploy a version of the Tomahawk cruise missile that is redesigned to be launched from land. Ships and submarines now carry Tomahawks armed with conventional warheads; experts say that eventually a nuclear warhead could be designed to fit the Tomahawk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    yet another arms race. NATO is out of control.
    Russia "violated" because we built an ABM system that could be used for offensive missiles.

    But really they deployed "theater ballistic nukes" because they can't match our arms race. SS-20 equalizes that.

    Instead of negotiating DOWN theater nukes -we just escalated that too.

    All this horseshit is a product of US Russiaphobia, ginned up by eastern Europe.

    It's Cold War 2.0 -and it's extremely dangerous
    Do you think Russia has learned not to overspend?

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