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    We often hear about the millions of voters who supposedly abandoned the Democrats in 2016. Various theories are proposed to explain this: the Democrats were too elitist or too focused on minorities, Hillary was a poor campaigner, "something big" had changed, and so on.

    In fact Hillary Clinton polled almost exactly the same number of votes in 2016 (65.8 million) as Obama in 2012 (65.9 million), and both polled more than Trump (63.0 million). Wherever Trump's millions came from, they apparently weren't defecting Democrats.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un...,_2016#Results
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...,_2012#Results

    My question is: where did Trump's millions come from, and what if anything does it signify?

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    Hillary's millions were in the wrong places. Her campaign, among its many, many mistakes, overly targeted blue strongholds relying on super majority turn out there to offset republican gains elsewheres. They didn't even try to go for swing voters in swing states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Hillary's millions were in the wrong places. Her campaign, among its many, many mistakes, overly targeted blue strongholds relying on super majority turn out there to offset republican gains elsewheres. They didn't even try to go for swing voters in swing states.
    geniuses after the fact. After Trump won on electoral college with far fewer votes, many Repubs suddenly read up on the electoral college, now claiming everyone should have known it all along. It has not been the big deal very often. Last time 2000. Again helping a loser Repub win.
    Hillary lost the 3 industrial states by narrow margins. they were not ignored. She had a huge ground game in all 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    geniuses after the fact. After Trump won on electoral college with far fewer votes, many Repubs suddenly read up on the electoral college, now claiming everyone should have known it all along. It has not been the big deal very often. Last time 2000. Again helping a loser Repub win.
    Hillary lost the 3 industrial states by narrow margins. they were not ignored. She had a huge ground game in all 3.
    Hillary lost 10% of union led households that Obama won. Bill Clinton reportedly warned them repeatedly they were making a mistake writing off white rural voters that Clinton lost by better than 2 to 1 margins. Clinton obsessed about social justice instead of economic opportunities. Instead of having big events to amp up support at the grass level and talk directly to the people, she held "cozy" event with captive audiences and bombarded the airwaves with Trump attack ads that played up the very things everybody but her true believers saw as his more redeeming positions. Keep blaming the FBI, the Russians, or anybody that makes you feel better at night, but that will not change Clinton's campaign not only ignored most of America--it insulted them too. A pollster like Benenson should never have been allowed to be the chief strategist for the campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    geniuses after the fact. After Trump won on electoral college with far fewer votes, many Repubs suddenly read up on the electoral college, now claiming everyone should have known it all along. It has not been the big deal very often. Last time 2000. Again helping a loser Repub win.
    Hillary lost the 3 industrial states by narrow margins. they were not ignored. She had a huge ground game in all 3.
    lol we won by using the electoral college in 2000 and 2016 and you think WE don't understand it?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Hillary lost 10% of union led households that Obama won. Bill Clinton reportedly warned them repeatedly they were making a mistake writing off white rural voters that Clinton lost by better than 2 to 1 margins. Clinton obsessed about social justice instead of economic opportunities. Instead of having big events to amp up support at the grass level and talk directly to the people, she held "cozy" event with captive audiences and bombarded the airwaves with Trump attack ads that played up the very things everybody but her true believers saw as his more redeeming positions. Keep blaming the FBI, the Russians, or anybody that makes you feel better at night, but that will not change Clinton's campaign not only ignored most of America--it insulted them too. A pollster like Benenson should never have been allowed to be the chief strategist for the campaign.
    and Hilliary got 130,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Obama, losing the state by 11,000 votes........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    and Hilliary got 130,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Obama, losing the state by 11,000 votes........
    the election was rigged by trump. trolls hacked the voting machines for him by committing voter fraud.

    This will be added to his impeachment charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbsupkid View Post
    the election was rigged by trump. trolls hacked the voting machines for him by committing voter fraud.

    This will be added to his impeachment charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    lol we won by using the electoral college in 2000 and 2016 and you think WE don't understand it?.......
    LOL I said everyone knows what the fuck it is. It was never a secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    and Hilliary got 130,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Obama, losing the state by 11,000 votes........
    And Hillary got 90 plus percent of Detroit voters. That is not losing the city. It is an enormous victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Hillary lost 10% of union led households that Obama won.
    Then she must have regained those votes somewhere else. As I said in the OP, Hillary polled almost exactly the same number of votes in 2016 (65.8 million) as Obama in 2012 (65.9 million), and both polled more than Trump (63.0 million).

    Is that an epoch-making shift? Maybe it was the shock of an ignorant p.o.s winning on points, so to speak, but people seem to be drawing conclusions from 2016 that simply aren't in the figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Then she must have regained those votes somewhere else. As I said in the OP, Hillary polled almost exactly the same number of votes in 2016 (65.8 million) as Obama in 2012 (65.9 million), and both polled more than Trump (63.0 million).

    Is that an epoch-making shift? Maybe it was the shock of an ignorant p.o.s winning on points, so to speak, but people seem to be drawing conclusions from 2016 that simply aren't in the figures.
    Obama originally won with 69M votes. he lost 5M votes between 2008 and 2012. Trump picked up 3M over the prior GOP performance in 2012 and 4M over GOP 2008 performance. Widening the gap in places like California doesn't matter. It gets you no more electors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    and Hilliary got 130,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Obama, losing the state by 11,000 votes........
    Hillary isn't black. Detroit is 80% black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    LOL I said everyone knows what the fuck it is. It was never a secret.
    lol.....you can't even remember your own posts......
    After Trump won on electoral college with far fewer votes, many Repubs suddenly read up on the electoral college, now claiming everyone should have known it all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    And Hillary got 90 plus percent of Detroit voters. That is not losing the city. It is an enormous victory.
    yes......losing the election was an enormous victory for her......

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