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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    And so much more intelligent then poodles like you.

    As an example, six states California, Colorado, Illinois, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island, require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows,
    link to where that stopped one shooting

    i can link a good guy with a gun stopping a shooting

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    "There are already 20,000 gun laws. What further restrictions do you suggest?" R6 #2


    If the number of gun laws was the issue, all we'd have to do is legislate a few trillion more, and we'd be all set. Right?

    Know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, admit it or not, it's not the number, but the efficacy of laws that's at issue.

    The issue is, how do we legislate keeping guns out of the hand of maniacs like the Sandy Hook, and Virginia Tech shooters, while preserving our 2nd Amendment rights for the rest of us.

    Are you too stupid to know thaat? Or are you merely acting like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    link to where that stopped one shooting

    i can link a good guy with a gun stopping a shooting
    And I can link to several where a "good guy" killed like 50+ from the 32nd. story of a Las Vegas hotel. Or where another "good guy" killed 20 plus high school students. How about the "good guy" that killed a shop lifter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    Link to a firearm product the make and sell
    Not sure what your question is. If it is about "bump stock" go the page 34 of the November edition of The American Rifleman, CMMG RipStock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post


    If the number of gun laws was the issue, all we'd have to do is legislate a few trillion more, and we'd be all set. Right?

    Know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, admit it or not, it's not the number, but the efficacy of laws that's at issue.

    The issue is, how do we legislate keeping guns out of the hand of maniacs like the Sandy Hook, and Virginia Tech shooters, while preserving our 2nd Amendment rights for the rest of us.

    Are you too stupid to know thaat? Or are you merely acting like it?
    You're asking the same question I am, just using different words...
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Gun laws like this?



    We would fight against laws like this tooth and nail here in Oklahoma...and I really hope the people of Washington have sense enough to vote it down.

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    A couple of questions:
    1) What purpose exactly does a "universal" background check serve in a state like Illinois?
    2) Where can I get a bump stock? I would NEVER put one on a firearm I cared about, but it does piss off the libtards, which is always fun
    So what else ya got, old trapper? Seeing as how background checks and bump stops have NOTHING to do with that situation in Florida? And "stand your ground" is abused frequently and does not apply in this case either. So put up or shut up, give us something new that will at least make us think it's worth consideration
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    If you want regulation better repeal the 2nd amendment first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    The right wing will never admit it since common sense is not their forte, however, this is a good example of why we do need more restrictions. And please, for the useful idiot toadies, don't try to make this into gun confiscation like you NRA masters have told you:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-sho...ry?id=58506648
    You are confusing the 1st amendment rights of speech and opinion with the 2nd amendment right to bear arms to protect yourself against enemies both foreign and domestic......right now the greatest threat to this nation and its constitutional rights is obvious....its left wing fascism. Just because your right of free speech does not agree with those you are opposed to does not give you the right take away their own rights of speech and self protection from people just like you while you wave the false flags.

    FYI: Have you looked at reality lately? The 2nd amendment has been regulated to hell and back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    The right wing will never admit it since common sense is not their forte, however, this is a good example of why we do need more restrictions. And please, for the useful idiot toadies, don't try to make this into gun confiscation like you NRA masters have told you:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-sho...ry?id=58506648
    Stand your ground does not apply to this case as surveillance video and eyewitness reports seem to indicate the shopowner's life was never in any danger. The court will likely rule as such. Self-defense was the purpose of that law, the purpose was not so shopowners can play judge, jury, and executioner for petty crimes. So...I fail to see, first of all, how this case is a valid argument against stand your ground laws nor how it is a a valid argument in favor of more gun restrictions. This man will likely be going to prison, that is the current law functioning the way it's supposed to. And in favor of the victim in question.

    Had the thief been wielding and brandishing a weapon, that'd be different and frankly the shopowner should have the legal right to self-defense in that event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    You are confusing the 1st amendment rights of speech and opinion with the 2nd amendment right to bear arms to protect yourself against enemies both foreign and domestic......right now the greatest threat to this nation and its constitutional rights is obvious....its left wing fascism. Just because your right of free speech does not agree with those you are opposed to does not give you the right take away their own rights of speech and self protection from people just like you while you wave the false flags.

    FYI: Have you looked at reality lately? The 2nd amendment has been regulated to hell and back.
    I am sorry that I am not a useful idiot like you, and most of the right wing. However, where does the Second give you the right to kill another for basically no reason at all? Unless you can show some knowledge of what fascism is all about I would suggest you keep your ignorance to yourself, and quit repetitiously speaking taunts based on your own ignorance, and what you have been taught by those even more ignorant then you such as Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrippyHippy View Post
    Stand your ground does not apply to this case as surveillance video and eyewitness reports seem to indicate the shopowner's life was never in any danger. The court will likely rule as such. Self-defense was the purpose of that law, the purpose was not so shopowners can play judge, jury, and executioner for petty crimes. So...I fail to see, first of all, how this case is a valid argument against stand your ground laws nor how it is a a valid argument in favor of more gun restrictions. This man will likely be going to prison, that is the current law functioning the way it's supposed to. And in favor of the victim in question.

    Had the thief been wielding and brandishing a weapon, that'd be different and frankly the shopowner should have the legal right to self-defense in that event.
    Because ever since Zimmerman first used this defense, as well as a homeowner in Texas that killed two burglars exiting a neighbors home, and then there are the cops that have falsly used it, it has become a tool for murderers to confuse the issue, and abuse the principle.

    The shop owner has been charged with 2nd. degree murder. IMO, it should be First degree since the shop owner was preventing the shop lifter from fleeing, and he had not threatened the owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    If you want regulation better repeal the 2nd amendment first.
    Guns are already regulated and the 2nd is right where it's always been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    where does the Second give you the right to kill another for basically no reason at all?
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    It doesnt. The Bill of Rights specifies rights. Criminal law defines unacceptable behaviors. You understand the difference between the two right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    Guns are already regulated and the 2nd is right where it's always been.
    You have already pushed this as far as the SCOTUS will allow. If you want more you have to remove the constitutional right or at least modify it.
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