Hillary Clinton adviser says there's a chance she will run in 2020

**Truth Detector** · 10-19-2018, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by cawacko

a strong field in 2016 are you kidding? If she had to run against Joe Biden that would have been real competition. She had a cake walk through the primaries with her only real competition a socialist who had no chance.

In truth, she CHEATED and bought and paid for the DNC to beat Bernie.

**Stretch** · 10-19-2018, 12:22 PM

Soros will never allow her to run again.

**anonymoose** · 10-19-2018, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

She's a great woman, and remains very popular -- she was the most admired woman in the world in Gallup's last poll, making sixteen consecutive wins, and 22 overall -- almost every year since she appeared on the national stage. And she's won more votes than her opponent in every single election she's ever fought. So, if she decided to run again, she might well win. But, I hope she decides not to run. I think the Democrats would have an even better shot with a younger and more up-beat candidate, with Hillary Clinton moving to an elder-stateswoman role.

midcam5's sock ^

**Oneuli** · 10-19-2018, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by cawacko

a strong field in 2016 are you kidding?

No, I'm not. Again, there were representatives right across the spectrum of the Democratic Party, from the far left to the far right and everything in between, and other than Lessig they all had excellent experience. It wasn't one of those "misfit toys" races, where you've got a surgeon, a CEO, and a reality star, none of whom had ever shown any serious interest in public policy, deciding they should be president. It was a contest among US senators and governors.

If she had to run against Joe Biden that would have been real competition

Biden got his ass badly beaten by Clinton in 2008. He'd given up by the start of January. I don't see a reason to think he'd have done better the second time around. Apparently, he didn't either.

Edit: More votes in every election she's run? That's true but it's only been two correct?

No, it's seven: two Senate primaries, two Senate general elections, two presidential primaries, and one presidential general election. Every time they've been given a chance, the voters backed her -- that superior popularity didn't translate to wins in two of those elections, thanks to the way non-democratic factors weigh in, but going 7-and-0 in the popular vote, against such strong competition, is quite an accomplishment, don't you think?

**Oneuli** · 10-19-2018, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by anonymoose

midcam5's sock ^

What makes you think that?

**cawacko** · 10-19-2018, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

No, I'm not. Again, there were representatives right across the spectrum of the Democratic Party, from the far left to the far right and everything in between, and other than Lessig they all had excellent experience. It wasn't one of those "misfit toys" races, where you've got a surgeon, a CEO, and a reality star, none of whom had ever shown any serious interest in public policy, deciding they should be president. It was a contest among US senators and governors.

Biden got his ass badly beaten by Clinton in 2008. He'd given up by the start of January. I don't see a reason to think he'd have done better the second time around. Apparently, he didn't either.

No, it's seven: two Senate primaries, two Senate general elections, two presidential primaries, and one presidential general election. Every time they've been given a chance, the voters backed her -- that superior popularity didn't translate to wins in two of those elections, thanks to the way non-democratic factors weigh in, but going 7-and-0 in the popular vote, against such strong competition, is quite an accomplishment, don't you think?

The Democratic Party of Jim Webb doesn't exist anymore. Lincoln Chaffee? Martin O'Malley knew he had no chance from the beginning as he was clearly gunning for a VP slot. He had zero chance of winning based on his time as Mayor of Baltimore. He was getting zero percentage of the black vote. So you had Hillary and a socialist Senator. America isn't electing a socialist for President.

If you want Governors and Senators you should have loved the Republican primary because there was a handful of both

**anonymoose** · 10-19-2018, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

What makes you think that?

midcam5 was the only poster here that actually considered hrc a 'great woman' ,' admired woman '. To say that after her excuses tour and other faux pas (comparing herself to Wonder Woman, etc.) is too much of a coincidence.
You are midcam5

**Oneuli** · 10-19-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by cawacko

The Democratic Party of Jim Webb doesn't exist anymore.

As a reminder, Jim Webb was a Republican, who came to the Democratic Party because the GOP went headlong into madness. So, it would be more accurate to say the Republican Party of Jim Webb doesn't exist anymore. The same is true of Lincoln Chaffee -- another Republican left homeless when the reavers took over the GOP. But the point is the 2016 field had the whole spectrum of the modern Democratic Party covered, from a far-left socialist, to an unapologetically liberal egg-head, to people like O'Malley and Clinton smack dab in the center of the current Democratic spectrum, to former Republicans like Chaffee and Webb. The Democratic voters had a full range of options, and chose Clinton resoundingly. Then the American people had a choice, and chose her as well.

Lincoln Chaffee?

Yes. He had arguably the most well-rounded experience of anyone to run for president in decades. He had four years of experience as a governor, plus about six additional years of executive experience as a mayor, plus over a term of Washington experience as a US senator. How many presidential candidates have been both governors and US Senators?

Martin O'Malley knew he had no chance from the beginning as he was clearly gunning for a VP slot. He had zero chance of winning based on his time as Mayor of Baltimore. He was getting zero percentage of the black vote.

What makes you think that? He withdrew after Iowa, which is so white that the exit polls don't even attempt to say who the black voters went for, so there's no way to know how he was doing with black voters in 2016. However, I do know that immediately after he served as Mayor of Baltimore, O'Malley won the governorship in Maryland with 84% of the black vote. I also know he won again in 2010, on the basis of a strong black vote for him. So, your view of the matter seems profoundly at odds with known facts.

If you want Governors and Senators you should have loved the Republican primary because there was a handful of both

Unfortunately, the Republican governors and senators were so vile that the Republican electorate would rather vote for a man who'd never had a day of relevant experience in his life.

**Oneuli** · 10-19-2018, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by anonymoose

midcam5 was the only poster here that actually considered hrc a 'great woman' ,' admired woman '. To say that after her excuses tour and other faux pas (comparing herself to Wonder Woman, etc.) is too much of a coincidence.
You are midcam5

If you imagine there's something fishy about finding two people who consider Clinton to be an "admired woman," then you REALLY need to get outside your bubble, before it suffocates you entirely. Remember, she has won Gallup's "most admired woman" in 22 of the last 25 years. Millions of Americans not only admire her, but admire her more than any other woman.

**PostmodernProphet** · 10-19-2018, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

If you imagine there's something fishy about finding two people who consider Clinton to be an "admired woman,"

good point.....its actually fairly common to find idiots among lib'ruls......

**Adolf_Twitler** · 10-19-2018, 02:14 PM

OK, why do you Republicans call women Bitches?

Is this some kind of inferiority complex or something?

**Oneuli** · 10-19-2018, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet

good point.....its actually fairly common to find idiots among lib'ruls......

Do you see the irony in calling others idiots in a post where you demonstrate you haven't mastered the use of capital letters, proper punctuation, or even basic spelling?

**cawacko** · 10-19-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

As a reminder, Jim Webb was a Republican, who came to the Democratic Party because the GOP went headlong into madness. So, it would be more accurate to say the Republican Party of Jim Webb doesn't exist anymore. The same is true of Lincoln Chaffee -- another Republican left homeless when the reavers took over the GOP. But the point is the 2016 field had the whole spectrum of the modern Democratic Party covered, from a far-left socialist, to an unapologetically liberal egg-head, to people like O'Malley and Clinton smack dab in the center of the current Democratic spectrum, to former Republicans like Chaffee and Webb. The Democratic voters had a full range of options, and chose Clinton resoundingly. Then the American people had a choice, and chose her as well.

Yes. He had arguably the most well-rounded experience of anyone to run for president in decades. He had four years of experience as a governor, plus about six additional years of executive experience as a mayor, plus over a term of Washington experience as a US senator. How many presidential candidates have been both governors and US Senators?

What makes you think that? He withdrew after Iowa, which is so white that the exit polls don't even attempt to say who the black voters went for, so there's no way to know how he was doing with black voters in 2016. However, I do know that immediately after he served as Mayor of Baltimore, O'Malley won the governorship in Maryland with 84% of the black vote. I also know he won again in 2010, on the basis of a strong black vote for him. So, your view of the matter seems profoundly at odds with known facts.

Unfortunately, the Republican governors and senators were so vile that the Republican electorate would rather vote for a man who'd never had a day of relevant experience in his life.

Jim Webb may have left the Republican Party but he's still a conservative Southern Democrat. This wasn't 1992, no conservative Southern Democrat was winning the Democratic Primary in 2016.

Go do one of those talk show interviews with people on the street and ask how many people have heard of Lincoln Chaffee. Doesn't matter that he was Governor and Senator of a small state. No one knew who he was. He had no chance.

You weren't paying close attention during the race if you didn't know O'Malley's problem's with the black community. 2010 isn't 2016.

http://www.daggerpress.com/2015/03/2...eople-edition/

Jed Bush was vile? What made him vile? What made Marco Rubio vile?

**PostmodernProphet** · 10-19-2018, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Oneuli

Do you see the irony in calling others idiots in a post where you demonstrate you haven't mastered the use of capital letters, proper punctuation, or even basic spelling?

nope.....I'm just puzzled why you think you aren't an idiot.......

**Nordberg** · 10-19-2018, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by cawacko

a strong field in 2016 are you kidding? If she had to run against Joe Biden that would have been real competition. She had a cake walk through the primaries with her only real competition a socialist who had no chance.

Edit: More votes in every election she's run? That's true but it's only been two correct? The way you phrase it makes it sound like she had run far more than that. And she also lost to Obama in the '08 primaries but granted that's not an actual election.

Bidens son died from brain cancer back then. He was not over that when the election came around.Joe is guilty of malaprops. However, that would not deter him from debating Daffy Trump. Trump is a walking debate mess. I saw Biden in a CSPAN one on one and he was very impressive. It was about 3 hours. He knows his politics and history very well.
But Joe is too old now. He is even a little older than Trump. Trump is too old due to his obesity and general laziness.