Saudi’s don’t respect TRump

[kudzu]

I’d venture to guess 99.9% of Muslim Brotherhood are critical of Trump lol. Imagine what the Wahhabis think of him.

Trump has all the right enemies—it’s one of the reasons I voted for him.

Muslim Brotherhood has been outlawed in KSA for over 50 years.

[Darth Omar]

Muslim Brotherhood has been outlawed in KSA for over 50 years.

And with good reason—MB are Islamist.

Islamists advocate using democracy to vote themselves into power so they can install a theocracy. The Saudis want none of it. The Saudis have their warts, but they get points for recognizing that much. There are/were people high up in our government that flunked Islamist 101.

Your boy Clapper was one of them.

[iolo]

Not really..

https://www.quora.com/Is-Iran-a-demo...l-system-works

As a religion, Islam contains democratic concepts such as shura, and Ijtihad, while Muslims tend to strongly favor democracy over any other system. (http://islamportal.net/article/i...)

In Islam, Democracy is accepted as a method of organizing society and respecting the majority vote as long as it doesn’t contradict basic human dignity and Islamic principles.

Islam believe that the majority is not necessarily always right, the majority can be determining and can accomplish its goals by accepting or not accepting them.

From Islam's point of view, a system can’t exist unless the people and the majority accept it.

Islam believes that people have the right to determine their future and enjoy their individual and social rights in an Islamic system. (http://www.islamportal.net/forum...)

I said 'of sorts'. In Iran, the notion of democracy has to exist where it can in a dominant Islam, in the US in a dominant capitalism. In both cases, I'd not put great faith in the outcome's being very democratic.

[kudzu]

I said 'of sorts'. In Iran, the notion of democracy has to exist where it can in a dominant Islam, in the US in a dominant capitalism. In both cases, I'd not put great faith in the outcome's being very democratic.

I was just reading about Algeria.. They have religious freedom written into their constitution and some 2000 Jews live in Algeria.

[iolo]

I was just reading about Algeria.. They have religious freedom written into their constitution and some 2000 Jews live in Algeria.

For good or bad, Algeria was for a long time held to be part of France - one of the reasons there are so many French Muslims - and the French tended to get over the sick stuff back in the times of Dreyfus.

[kudzu]

And with good reason—MB are Islamist.

Islamists advocate using democracy to vote themselves into power so they can install a theocracy. The Saudis want none of it. The Saudis have their warts, but they get points for recognizing that much. There are/were people high up in our government that flunked Islamist 101.

Your boy Clapper was one of them.

Clapper?

[kudzu]

A bit of background on the MB.

Following the end of World War I and the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the Caliphate, a symbolic system of government representative of Islamic power and unity, was abolished. Additional Western beliefs and traditions began to enter Egypt as the Islamic world modernized.

In March of 1928 Al-Banna, his younger brother and five others pledged to live and die for Islam and thus the Muslim Brotherhood was founded. Al-Banna introduced his organization to a welcoming audience and by 1936 the Muslim Brotherhood had expanded to every Egyptian province.

The Muslim Brotherhood skyrocketed from a small grassroots movement, into a mass movement as the political, cultural and religious atmosphere attracted individuals to the Brotherhood. Additionally, Al-Banna’s charisma and conviction inspired others to listen to him and understand his Islam centered ideals, while his teaching experience aided in his ability to speak clearly, efficiently and entertainingly.

In February of 1949, at 43 years of age, Al-Banna was assassinated by an Egyptian government agent near his office in Cairo(Swenson).

Survived by Al-Banna were his many followers and the fast growing and far-reaching Brotherhood he had so loyally backed. After his death the Muslim Brotherhood further developed its political interests and involvement in society. Militant groups that considered the Brotherhood too moderate, broke off from the Brotherhood to follow their violent paths to Islamization.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~orr20l/cla...s/leaders.html

[kudzu]

Sayyid Qutb

Radical leader of the Muslim Brotherhood was opposed to the culture of the West.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~orr20l/cla...s/leaders.html

In 1949, Qutb studied at Colorado State Teachers College in Greeley, where he first observed what he viewed as American materialistic greed, moral and spiritual degeneracy. During this three year study of American education programs Qutb came to view western culture as materialistic and barbarian. He would later write in a book entitled "The America I Have Seen":

[Darth Omar]

Clapper?

Clapper called the MB a ‘secular organization’ some years ago. Even Obama was forced to correct him after the fall out.

[Darth Omar]

Sayyid Qutb

Radical leader of the Muslim Brotherhood was opposed to the culture of the West.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~orr20l/cla...s/leaders.html

In 1949, Qutb studied at Colorado State Teachers College in Greeley, where he first observed what he viewed as American materialistic greed, moral and spiritual degeneracy. During this three year study of American education programs Qutb came to view western culture as materialistic and barbarian. He would later write in a book entitled "The America I Have Seen":

Thanks, but I knew all of that lol.

I would never label the MB as ‘secular’ even on my worst day, but our former DNI did.

The MB has the same goal as the more dangerous Islamist groups such as al Qaeda or ISIS—the goal is sharia. The only difference is the latter want to skip the democracy part and go straight to the caliphate.

If the Saudis want to be a sort of Arab mafia, that beats the alternative by a mile. Progressives should applaud them for it.

[kudzu]

Clapper called the MB a ‘secular organization’ some years ago. Even Obama was forced to correct him after the fall out.

Thanks..

Qatar supports MB which explains their issue with the Saudis.

[kudzu]

Thanks, but I knew all of that lol.

I would never label the MB as ‘secular’ even on my worst day, but our former DNI did.

The MB has the same goal as the more dangerous Islamist groups such as al Qaeda or ISIS—the goal is sharia. The only difference is the latter want to skip the democracy part and go straight to the caliphate.

If the Saudis want to be a sort of Arab mafia, that beats the alternative by a mile. Progressives should applaud them for it.

The Saudi have always been Pro-America.

[anatta]

And with good reason—MB are Islamist.

Islamists advocate using democracy to vote themselves into power so they can install a theocracy. The Saudis want none of it. The Saudis have their warts, but they get points for recognizing that much. There are/were people high up in our government that flunked Islamist 101.

Your boy Clapper was one of them.

ha!
I did not know Clapper claimed the MB were secular. what a piece of garbage he was-this is "intelligence?"
I'm happy to see him squirm on Twitter

[anatta]

Thanks..

Qatar supports MB which explains their issue with the Saudis.

Trump is handling this well so far.
Trying his best not to rip apart relations while sharks like Lindsey Graham circle around with rash statements

[Darth Omar]

ha!
I did not know Clapper claimed the MB were secular. what a piece of garbage he was-this is "intelligence?"
I'm happy to see him squirm on Twitter

It was in Obama’s first term when I was on another board.

I remember it well because it had me jumping straight legged lol.