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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    the nation building afterwards especially in AfPak was morality driven.
    But I agree there was also counter-terrorism at play there too.
    we should have stuck with Whack A Mole instead of nationbuilding there.

    you don't understand that realpolitik is the same as a transactional foreign policy.
    It's not a "19th century dead concept"wherever you got that from

    You don't understand why we went into Libya -the Albright operative phrase kicking around the UN then was
    " responsibility to protect" (R2P). it was a 100% moral justification to join in their civil war.

    we can still espouse democratic values -but not as a driving force for policy
    Iraq would've fallen into anarchy literally no matter what we did there. I can't believe your stupid enough to think that if we just killed saddam then immediately pulled out the situation would've totes worked itself out. Maybe instead of having the current Iraqi government we'd have a province of the Al-Qaeda caliphate there.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    You get friends by being a just and fair person. Some who is nakedly self-aggrandizing, selfish, and bullying will find themselves all alone pretty soon.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Justice should be the sole guiding force behind US diplomacy.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    no more mindless interventionism -realpolitik instead. Trump's genius is "America First" policy
    He's pulled back exactly nowhere and seems to be itching to open up the next war. We'd be knee deep in shit in Venezuala right now if Mattis didn't tell him to btfo.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    You get friends by being a just and fair person. Some who is nakedly self-aggrandizing, selfish, and bullying will find themselves all alone pretty soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    $audi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of $audi Arabia, which was co-founded by a $audi prince.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/u...n-charity.html
    Ten and twenty five million is chump change compared to the money the Saudis have paid to Trump over the years, the 45th Floor of Trump Tower ain't cheap you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    He's pulled back exactly nowhere and seems to be itching to open up the next war. We'd be knee deep in shit in Venezuala right now if Mattis didn't tell him to btfo.
    Who told you that, Weaboo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    Iraq would've fallen into anarchy literally no matter what we did there. I can't believe your stupid enough to think that if we just killed saddam then immediately pulled out the situation would've totes worked itself out. Maybe instead of having the current Iraqi government we'd have a province of the Al-Qaeda caliphate there.
    read much? where am I taking about Iraq? I'm talking about Afgh.
    We could have simply played Whack A Mole there..pound them when we find them

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchovies View Post
    Ten and twenty five million is chump change compared to the money the Saudis have paid to Trump over the years, the 45th Floor of Trump Tower ain't cheap you know
    You think Trump needs the rental income from the Saudis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    Justice should be the sole guiding force behind US diplomacy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    But the stark and troubling fact is that the U.S. has an extremely bad habit of starting wars (and spreading chaos and bloodshed) with the very best of moral intentions. If Trump can help us to break that habit, laying the foundations for a foreign policy grounded in greater realism and restraint, it will be a very good thing indeed.
    http://theweek.com/articles/802111/h...foreign-policy
    Interesting read. Thank you for posting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    He's pulled back exactly nowhere and seems to be itching to open up the next war. We'd be knee deep in shit in Venezuala right now if Mattis didn't tell him to btfo.
    Trump asks a lot of open ended questions. We aren't in Venezuela. we are not going into Venez.

    I want us completely out of Syria, instead of baby sitting the Kurds from Erdogan's wrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Interesting read. Thank you for posting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    You get friends by being a just and fair person. Some who is nakedly self-aggrandizing, selfish, and bullying will find themselves all alone pretty soon.
    You get taken advantage of by those types if you don’t look out for your own country’s interests, first.

    You’re naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    He's stupid. He made online threats that led to an interview with federal authorities. He pissed himself and cried.
    I can’t keep up with his iterations lol.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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