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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Ten and twenty five million is chump change compared to the money the Saudis have paid to Trump over the years, the 45th Floor of Trump Tower ain't cheap you know
    They took money from the Saudis. Bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    They took money from the Saudis. Bottom line.
    There aren't many American or European politicians who haven't, are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    There aren't many American or European politicians who haven't, are there?
    Exactly.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    $audi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of $audi Arabia, which was co-founded by a $audi prince.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/u...n-charity.html
    I'm sure trump would have gladly accepted Saudi donations to his foundation.

    IF he had a legitimate foundation, not a slush fund.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I'm sure trump would have gladly accepted Saudi donations to his foundation.

    IF he had a legitimate foundation, not a slush fund.
    Exactly......everybody does it.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I'm sure trump would have gladly accepted Saudi donations to his foundation.
    Like Hillary did?

    https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hacked-emails-show-extent-of-foreign-government-donations-to-clinton-foundation/2016/10/16/ce871a82-9319-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.cea1cbf5afe0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Like Hillary did?

    https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hacked-emails-show-extent-of-foreign-government-donations-to-clinton-foundation/2016/10/16/ce871a82-9319-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.cea1cbf5afe0
    We already know the Clinton Foundation took donations. Do try and keep up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    We already know the Clinton Foundation took donations. Do try and keep up.
    Just reminding you...I know that ladies of a certain age tend to forget things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Just reminding you...I know that ladies of a certain age tend to forget things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Tee hee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    forget that noise.
    China uses realpolitik, Putin at least attempted to before we buried him in counter-productive sanctions

    no more moralistic muddling as stated
    China executes business owners outside their own factories with no due process.
    Chinese doctors inject iodine into the brains of female babies because the parents wanted male babies.
    Chinese factories are walled like prisons and have anti suicide nets.

    Why would you use China as an example?
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    China executes business owners outside their own factories with no due process.
    Chinese doctors inject iodine into the brains of female babies because the parents wanted male babies.
    Chinese factories are walled like prisons and have anti suicide nets.

    Why would you use China as an example?
    Because we don't deal with China as a human rights abuser ( you forgot the Uigers / Xinjiang reeducation camps)
    we deal with them as a malign military power and global hegemon, and as a trade partner

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Because we don't deal with China as a human rights abuser ( you forgot the Uigers / Xinjiang reeducation camps)
    we deal with them as a malign military power and global hegemon, and as a trade partner
    I would surmise that nearly everything in most Americans homes is made in China, so the "human rights" virtue signaling that leftists conveniently cough up constantly in a cacophony of cuckish caterwauling is incompatible with their consumer consumption, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    I understand your position- but I believe that she would have launched the US into Syria on Izrael's behalf. In that respect the OP is correct.
    She was/is viewed as an embittered crone seeking revenge in some form- just as unhinged as the incumbent but more difficult to dislodge.
    Well, despite rumblings to the contrary, Secretary Clinton is completely out of the picture, now-- to pretty much everybody's relief.
    The Democratic candidates will not be calling for an occupation of Syria.
    The Democratic candidates will in most cases be the only ones with a chance to beat the Republican candidates.
    Not coming out in massive numbers to vote for the Democratic candidates would be an abdication of social responsibility.

    For better, or worse, and arguably worse many might say, the two-party system is here for the remainder of our republic's existence.
    To those of us who reject attempts within the Democratic Party to move to the irrelevant center,
    it is import to do what the tea-baggers and Tumpanzees did--
    commandeer the other major party the way they did with the pachys.

    Bernie gave it a good try running as a Democrat in 2016.
    He wouldn't have been a blip on the radar screen running as something else.
    Progressive liberals must wrest the Democratic Party from its centrist elements.

    But when we don't immediately get our candidates nominated in the primaries,
    we have to vote foir the Democrats who did get nominated.
    It won't immediately forward all of our causes,
    but it's the only way to block the hideous Trumpanzee policies.
    That's extremely important, too.

    Unless you love the oranguatan's ass,
    you have to get to the polls in massive numbers and vote straight Democratic tickets.
    Otherwise, you'll have the orangutan's ass in your face whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Well, despite rumblings to the contrary, Secretary Clinton is completely out of the picture, now-- to pretty much everybody's relief.
    Is that a fact?

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