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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    I understand your position- but I believe that she would have launched the US into Syria on Izrael's behalf. In that respect the OP is correct.
    She was/is viewed as an embittered crone seeking revenge in some form- just as unhinged as the incumbent but more difficult to dislodge.
    well you are an idiot then

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    Quote Originally Posted by loon View Post
    A prosemitic JPP troll pretending that he understands the Palestinian resistance.
    Is "prosemitic" even a word?

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    well you are an idiot then
    Just a different opinion to yours. The country was robbed of its sane democracy in choosing either . Billary stuck it to Sanders- who would have made a quality president. I blame Billary for Trumpo's election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is "prosemitic" even a word?
    Sure. It's the opposite of ' antisemitic '- and just as racist.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prosemite
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Trump Insists He Was Against Both Iraq and Libya Interventions Despite Evidence
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=41940228

    He supported BOTH wars. Trump is the biggest liar to ever sit in the Oval Office .. BY FAR.,

    You can be told any fucking thing and you'll lap that shit up like its tasty.
    an interview on Howard Stern is not supporting Libya, and he was circumspect in his language.

    Compare that to Hillary who HAD THE INTELLIGENCE and STILL pressed on with libya-
    does any of this ring a bell or did you flush out your mind when you decided to be a Democrat?

    Hillary Clinton,‘Smart Power’ and a Dictator’s Fall
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/u...ton-libya.html
    The president was wary. The secretary of state was persuasive. But the ouster of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi left Libyaa failed state and a terrorist haven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    no more mindless interventionism -realpolitik instead. Trump's genius is "America First" policy
    We've been they this before, but Bismark's "realpolitik" is a 19th Century strategy outdated by WWI

    I wouldn't think the invasion of Afghanistan nor the Iraq War were started due to moralism muddling foreign policy, I wouldn't call the push to eliminate WMD as ideological

    America worldwide stands for something, well it used to, least that is what the Flag and all that stuff used to stand for internationally. And the moralism you think has hindered its' foreign policy has never been the guiding force behind foreign policy decisions, seldom the US has ever done anything that doesn't ultimately benefit the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    I understand your position- but I believe that she would have launched the US into Syria on Izrael's behalf. In that respect the OP is correct.
    She was/is viewed as an embittered crone seeking revenge in some form- just as unhinged as the incumbent but more difficult to dislodge.
    she promised she would have us in Syria with her "humanitarian corridor".
    That cann't be done solely by a 'no fly' -we would have had boots to enforce it

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    We've been they this before, but Bismark's "realpolitik" is a 19th Century strategy outdated by WWI

    I wouldn't think the invasion of Afghanistan nor the Iraq War were started due to moralism muddling foreign policy, I wouldn't call the push to eliminate WMD as ideological

    America worldwide stands for something, well it used to, least that is what the Flag and all that stuff used to stand for internationally. And the moralism you think has hindered its' foreign policy has never been the guiding force behind foreign policy decisions, seldom the US has ever done anything that doesn't ultimately benefit the US
    the nation building afterwards especially in AfPak was morality driven.
    But I agree there was also counter-terrorism at play there too.
    we should have stuck with Whack A Mole instead of nationbuilding there.

    you don't understand that realpolitik is the same as a transactional foreign policy.
    It's not a "19th century dead concept"wherever you got that from

    You don't understand why we went into Libya -the Albright operative phrase kicking around the UN then was
    " responsibility to protect" (R2P). it was a 100% moral justification to join in their civil war.

    we can still espouse democratic values -but not as a driving force for policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    an interview on Howard Stern is not supporting Libya, and he was circumspect in his language.

    Compare that to Hillary who HAD THE INTELLIGENCE and STILL pressed on with libya-
    does any of this ring a bell or did you flush out your mind when you decided to be a Democrat?

    Hillary Clinton,‘Smart Power’ and a Dictator’s Fall
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/u...ton-libya.html
    The president was wary. The secretary of state was persuasive. But the ouster of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi left Libyaa failed state and a terrorist haven.
    An interview on anybody's show supporting war is still supporting war.

    So instead of dealing with the truth that Trump supported both wars .. let's talk about Hillary. You have no integrity.

    Absolutely I consider Hillary's stance on Libya .. and still knew she would be a FAR better choice for president than the unqualified buffoon you voted for .. with the lowest polling in history.

    The difference here is Trump is just in it for the money, and money will convince him to side with enemies and vile regimes. He's opened the back door for the Russians and invited them in. He's in bed with the Saudis and will turn a blind eye to whatever they do.

    Don't get that twisted because I'm not asking for your opinion. I already know what your opinion is, which is whatever Trump tells you it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    I already know what your opinion is, which is whatever Trump tells you it is.
    You saved the best for last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Trump is a piece of shit by any sane standard.
    Defending him is irredeemable and indicative of another completely worthless piece of shit.
    the likes of you insulting the president is like a fly on a bull

    read the article, it does everything but point out that the left in this country want it both ways, do the right thing but don't do the right thing

    trump is on a path I truly thought might be closed forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Absolutely I consider Hillary's stance on Libya .. and still knew she would be a FAR better choice for president than the unqualified buffoon you voted for .. with the lowest polling in history.

    The difference here is Trump is just in it for the money, and money will convince him to side with enemies and vile regimes. He's opened the back door for the Russians and invited them in. He's in bed with the Saudis and will turn a blind eye to whatever they do.
    $audi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of $audi Arabia, which was co-founded by a $audi prince.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    An interview on anybody's show supporting war is still supporting war.

    So instead of dealing with the truth that Trump supported both wars .. let's talk about Hillary. You have no integrity.

    Absolutely I consider Hillary's stance on Libya .. and still knew she would be a FAR better choice for president than the unqualified buffoon you voted for .. with the lowest polling in history.

    The difference here is Trump is just in it for the money, and money will convince him to side with enemies and vile regimes. He's opened the back door for the Russians and invited them in. He's in bed with the Saudis and will turn a blind eye to whatever they do.

    Don't get that twisted because I'm not asking for your opinion. I already know what your opinion is, which is whatever Trump tells you it is.
    what in gods name are you rambling about?
    Hillary never met a war she didn't want to join. Whether it was "Friends of Syria" or Libya or Iraq.
    She even screwed up the Russian reset, although Obama cut the legs from out from under that with our meddling in the Euromaidan.

    Where is Trumps war?

    The difference here is Trump is just in it for the money, and money will convince him to side with enemies and vile regimes. He's opened the back door for the Russians and invited them in
    ROFl..Russian collusion again??

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    I like how the US appears to have bought its own propaganda

    The US has always acted in its interests. It pretended as if it was for the good of everyone, but that was just to protect its interests. Somewhere along the way people became convinced that the US really *was* being just a super nice guy, and got angry and convinced they were being ripped off. So they demanded we just start acting like bully's and dicks to everyone pointlessly. It's hilarious. We'll see how this plays out as the US loses all its allies, and China eventually eclipses it in power anyway. Geez sure would've been nice to have those allies, but some resentful mayos were more interested in show than results. The US is well on its way to becoming a second rate power.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by loon View Post
    His use was in protecting us from Billary. He's no longer required.
    She won't go away, though.

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