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    They were even nice enough to play him music : )

    Look savages.... do things from time to time... when they are in our employ sometimes we just have to look the other way.

    Rest assured if savages that are not in our employ do this we will condemn them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The civilized Western World lives by a Rule of Law. Good to know you stand with Putin, Kim Jong-Un, and Mohammad bin Salman. Why don't you move there, you might feel more at home with Butchers.
    I doubt anyone really cares about the "civilized Western World" and their purported "rule of law". Your lip service/virtue signaling to an imaginary set of ideals is noted.

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    Obama’s Administration Sold More Weapons Than Any Other Since World War II
    Many were sold to the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Still waiting for proof here as well.
    Not doubting that the Saudis did it...still want more info on the record from Erdogan as well.

    I AGREE! But but freshly painted rooms and a 'lethal chemical' were found on the premises. I don't have any doubt it happened. 7 OF THE 15 were matched to passports, photographs and social media. ALL of those 7 were in MBS inner circle and/or part of his security team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Fake News CNN calls BS on the "Apple watch audio" claim.

    Excellent, thank-you.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I doubt anyone really cares about the "civilized Western World" and their purported "rule of law". Your lip service/virtue signaling to an imaginary set of ideals is noted.
    Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    They were even nice enough to play him music : )

    Look savages.... do things from time to time... when they are in our employ sometimes we just have to look the other way.

    Rest assured if savages that are not in our employ do this we will condemn them.
    They aren't savages... and this story reeks.. Why not release the audio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I AGREE! But but freshly painted rooms and a 'lethal chemical' were found on the premises. I don't have any doubt it happened. 7 OF THE 15 were matched to passports, photographs and social media. ALL of those 7 were in MBS inner circle and/or part of his security team!
    Well, the FBI is over there checking it all out. I didn't know of the freshly painted rooms. Guess they would use the luminol and black light test all around the area, no?
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The civilized Western World lives by a Rule of Law. Good to know you stand with Putin, Kim Jong-Un, and Mohammad bin Salman. Why don't you move there, you might feel more at home with Butchers.
    It is hubris to think the rule of your country's laws extend outside of its borders to non-citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Still waiting for proof here as well.
    Not doubting that the Saudis did it...still want more info on the record from Erdogan as well.
    yo asshole, can' stomach TrumpTV..........what's their spin on this?

    'waiting for proof'?

    then what, say there is no proof?

    fuck you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    It is hubris to think the rule of your country's laws extend outside of its borders to non-citizens.
    The US and Europe, along with countries like Japan and Australia, share Values that protect the Individual from the State. Countries like North Korea, Russia ,China, arbitrarily kill Individuals they don't like. Western Civilization shuns these types, don't cozy up to them, rejects their disrespect for the Individual.

    It is interesting to see so many here on the JPP Forum support the State killing an Individual, guilty of nothing, just because it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The US and Europe, along with countries like Japan and Australia, share Values that protect the Individual from the State. Countries like North Korea, Russia ,China, arbitrarily kill Individuals they don't like. Western Civilization shuns these types, don't cozy up to them, rejects their disrespect for the Individual.

    It is interesting to see so many here on the JPP Forum support the State killing an Individual, guilty of nothing, just because it can.
    Hate to tell you but the US routinely kills people it doesn't like. They can wrap it up all sorts of ways with flags and rhetoric. Hell, you don't even have to be an enemy of the state. As long as you fit a profile and a drone is nearby, you are subject to execution. What's the point of having the world's largest military if you do not kill people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Hate to tell you but the US routinely kills people it doesn't like. They can wrap it up all sorts of ways with flags and rhetoric. Hell, you don't even have to be an enemy of the state. As long as you fit a profile and a drone is nearby, you are subject to execution. What's the point of having the world's largest military if you do not kill people?
    Didn't Barack Hussein Obama murder American citizens on foreign soil without due process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Western Civilization shuns these types, don't cozy up to them, rejects their disrespect for the Individual.
    Is that so? Got some examples?

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    Default The BBC calls BS on the "Apple Watch" story

    There is a story going around that Jamal Khashoggi, the journalist missing presumed killed, recorded exactly what happened inside Saudi Arabia's Istanbul consulate on his Apple Watch. It strikes me as extremely unlikely.

    The story was first reported in the Turkish paper Sabah and was repeated across a number of news outlets.

    Sabah says Khashoggi turned on his Apple Watch's recording facility before entering the Saudi consulate. Then it says the circumstances of his "interrogation, torture and killing" were recorded and sent to his iPhone, which was with his fiancée outside the consulate, and to Apple's iCloud.

    The report says Khashoggi's attackers spotted the watch and tried to access it with guesses at his passcode before using his fingerprint to unlock it. They then deleted some but not all of its files.

    Let's dispose of this last point first. The Apple Watch does not use the company's Touch ID system, so fingerprint access would have been impossible - unless the attackers unlocked it via the iPhone it was paired with, and that was outside.

    That makes me doubt the rest of the report, but let's look at the watch's "recording function". This does not come built in to the device, but a number of third party apps allow you to record audio. It is conceivable that the journalist had installed one of these apps and started to record before entering the consulate.

    But for that recording to upload to his iPhone, he would probably have had to press stop without his assailants noticing. And, crucially, his Apple Watch would have needed a Bluetooth connection to the phone in the hands of his fiancée outside.

    Bluetooth has quite a limited range. I've just tested that by setting my iPhone playing a podcast in my living room and walking away listening via Bluetooth ear buds. By the time I got to the other end of my modestly sized home, the audio had disappeared. It seems very unlikely that the signal would have stretched through several walls of the Istanbul building unless Khashoggi's fiancée was standing right outside the room where the interrogation took place.

    Ah, some defenders of this thesis have said, but the Saudi journalist had an Apple Watch 3 with its own cellular connection allowing it to communicate directly with the iCloud. It is true that a photo of Khashoggi appearing on a TV program shows he did have an Apple Watch 3 with its telltale red button. He could have chosen to pay for a mobile contract for the device in the United States where he was based.

    But here's the problem - you cannot roam with a cellular Apple Watch so, once he landed in Turkey, the watch would have depended on the iPhone for its data connection. He could have swapped out his phone's sim for a local one, but a year ago Apple Support responded to a query about using the watch in Turkey as a standalone device by saying this:

    "There are three different regional versions of Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular), each supporting different LTE and UMTS bands, as detailed here - there are not currently any supported carriers listed for Turkey."

    That situation does not appear to have changed - in other words, you can't use an Apple Watch to connect to the internet in Istanbul unless it is paired to a nearby iPhone.




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