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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    It's a brave new world championed by arm chair intellectuals
    Are you going to take action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60
    When I conducted interviews for machinists, I expected them to clearly read and write English and have machining experience. If they didn't, their applications went into the trash.

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    Racist!

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Did you mean to write "Illiterate"?

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    October 18, 2018
    Illegal Caravans Encouraged by Honduras and Soros
    By Daniel John Sobieski

    Just in time for the midterms, another "spontaneous" migration from Central America began with a bevy of allegedly oppressed and downtrodden Hondurans leading the way. Pressured by a threat from President Trump to cut aid to Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador if the caravan is not stopped, some moves by these governments have been made. Yet evidence exists that these migrations are not spontaneous, with both of the governments in question encouraging them as a political and economic safety valve and a source of foreign currency, financed in part by foreign leftists with connections to George Soros.

    As Fox News's Laura Ingraham noticed in a tweet, this is not a walk in a national park, but an expensive and arduous journey:

    [B]Who is funding the migrant "caravan"? Each migrant's passage can cost as much as $7K each. Per capita income Honduras is $2.3 K.

    It is doubtful that such sums came from the kiddies' college funds. Evidence of Soros funding of an earlier "spontaneous" migration have been found among the tentacles of support that flow from his Open Society group coffers:

    Leftist billionaire George Soros is funding the well-organized anti-Trump migrant caravan invasion from Central America that has been hitting the United States-Mexico border in defiance of immigration enforcement.

    Several major ultra-liberal foundations and corporations have supported the asylum-seeking migrant caravans, and Soros' funding has been tied to several groups that have spearheaded the "refugee" invasion coalition – also dubbed "the Soros Express."

    "The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, ut the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA," WND reported. "At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation."

    The hands of the Honduran government are not clean in these efforts. Among the alleged asylum-seekers parked on the U.S. border is a contingent of Hondurans, allegedly fleeing persecution, poverty, crime, and oppression. If that is the case, why is the Honduran government helping them, driving them northward under orders given to the Honduran ambassador, who is helping and escorting them?

    Leaders of a caravan of Central American migrants traveling toward the United States through Mexico have repeatedly accused the Honduran government of corruption and with failing to address the poverty, crime and economic conditions forcing families to flee by the thousands.

    So it shocked some observers when the Honduran ambassador joined the migrants protesting outside the Honduran embassy in Mexico City on Wednesday, and then accepted their invitation to walk 9 miles to a migrant shelter.

    "I have been ordered by my government to support the Honduran migrants traveling with the caravan. There are about 200 Hondurans who we will help out with paperwork and whatever is necessary," Alden Rivera Montes, the Honduran ambassador to Mexico, told El Universal.

    Ordered by my government? Why is the country whose oppression they are allegedly fleeing helping them leave? The answer is remittances, the money sent back home by so-called "migrants." Asylum is in large part a colossal scam designed to provide Latin American countries with a political and economic safety valve and a cash cow of foreign exchange. In 2017, remittances sent back to Honduras totaled $4.33 billion and make up a significant part of the Honduran economy:

    Within the span of a few short decades, migrants have become an essential engine of economic support for Honduras. Remittances comprised 17 percent of the nation's gross domestic product (GDP) in 2011, according to World Bank estimates, the second largest share of any country in Latin America or the Caribbean. As such, Honduran emigrants have tremendous significance for the country's economy and for the sustenance of many otherwise impoverished communities and families.

    Talk about a trade imbalance. We import alleged asylum-seekers and other illegal aliens, and they send home billions sucked out of a benevolent U.S. government and economy. We have an economy that has some 7.3 million jobs going unfilled because of a shortage of skilled workers. Judging from photos of the latest caravan, one would suggest a paucity of welders, pipefitters, electricians, and long-haul truck-drivers.

    Inner-city blacks have long asked which country they get to go to to escape violence and poverty. Although President Trump is succeeding in fighting crime and increasing job opportunities in our urban areas, much remains to be done. We do not need to be importing low-wage and low-skilled competitors to American citizens to drive down poor workers' wages. Inner-city residents have long asked, where's our sanctuary?

    Unlike the children of Central America, arriving en masse, the children of Chicago, facing conditions every bit as horrible, have no border to cross to seek asylum or refuge[.] ...

    "Do something for our children," said one of the protesters in a video posted at the blog Rebel Pundit. "Have the same love for these young people like you got for the ones across the border, and you want to save them." ...

    A woman, identified only as Elaine, explained the plight of inner-city Baltimore residents on Laura Ingraham's radio show: "My children cannot play outside. I cannot take my trash out without locking the door – it's awful. Who is going to give us anything? Where can I get asylum? Where can I get refugee status?"

    Where, indeed? Perhaps this side of a border wall Democrats oppose in favor of sanctuary cities and Medicare for illegal aliens. If any of the alleged asylum-seekers want to learn a trade – how about a crash course in border wall construction? Build it, and they won't come.

    Daniel John Sobieski is a freelance writer whose pieces have appeared in Investor's Business Daily, Human Events, Reason Magazine, and the Chicago Sun-Times among other publications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Racist!
    If you consider that I was concerned if the applicant was qualified or not, yes, I was "racist" against the unqualified ones.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
    ...and bigoted against the unqualified too!
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I condemn your patriarchal discrimination against the differently-qualified, white male!
    Also, keep in mind some here say I'm illiterate and unhinged. Beware, I also own guns...lots of them
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Default Let's' remember why Hondurans are fleeing their own country


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    Quote Originally Posted by White privilege is real View Post
    I hope every one of them makes it safely within the borders of their new nation, I welcome them gladly. If they have to violate illegitimate laws promulgated by our illegitimate dictator in order to do so, I encourage them. The laws themselves are illegal, not these people. Trump is illegal, not these heroes and future Americans who will be a thousand times more successful than the illegitimate fascists who voted for Trump out of spite, ignorance, and cruelty.
    Pretty simple choice. Stay home and be murdered, or go to trumpica and be separated from your family. I guess they feel that living in a cage is better than being tortured to death.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    We have a difference of opinion. I support 'No Immigration'. You support "What's wrong with importing a million Chinese Coolies".
    YOU want to crush American Workers with 'Third World Labor'. I support 'American jobs for Americans'.
    Our fruit is rotting in the trees as laborers are kept out of the country


    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    we lack an efficient, farmer-friendly guest-worker program. The current one for temporary H-2A visas was created more than three decades ago; it’s outdated and can’t cope with increasing demand for workers. The labor shortage is so severe that farmers have overwhelmed the system, which had to issue nearly 135,000 visas for seasonal agricultural workers in 2016. That’s nearly double from five years ago.

    It’s also expensive. In addition to wages, farmers have to pay, on average, $2,500 per worker every season in visa-processing fees, transportation and housing costs.

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    Default Spotted in the "caravan" AKA invasion force


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    An opinion piece from the ultra-liberal WaPo from August 24 (year unspecified?)

    No facts, just unverifiable personal anecdotes.

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    Sounds like a 'Bullshit Line' from Corporate Farmers that don't want to pay Americans a decent wage. It's a LOT cheaper to import Third World Labor to do the WORK, rather than pay Americans.
    Trump claims he can't find Americans to work at his Mar-a-Lago Golf Resort in Florida, I don't believe that. How many displaced Puerto Ricans (from their Hurricane) are still in Florida?

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    Pretty sure the caravan was stopped by now, so that title is no longer accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    DYK:

    Obama budget to include $1 billion for Central America - Reuters
    Jan 29, 2015 - ... budget on Monday will include $1 billion in new aid for Central America as part of a ... Guatemala's President Otto Perez Molina gives his annual state of the ... last year of tens of thousands of illegal migrants from Honduras, ...
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...0L22M920150130

    Congress and State Department at odds over $55 million in aid for ...
    Oct 25, 2016 - Press Releases · Staff Directory · Giving ... For Honduras to receive its portion of about $55 million, however, it had to prove to U.S. ... "Over the past 25 years, the United States has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in aid ... put Vice President Joe Biden in charge of it, and last year asked for $1 billion.
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-...nap-story.html


    Drug Money: Obama's Reckless $1 Billion Payout to Central America ...

    Feb 18, 2015 - It's not clear how giving $1 billion to Central American governments would somehow ... counternarcotic campaigns against the cartels using U.S. aid, as occurred in Mexico. ... In 2014, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras combined spent ... the revenues of TCOs could reach up to $39 billion annually.
    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...entral-america


    Billions in U.S. Aid to Honduras Saw Little Long-Term Success - WSJ
    Jul 2, 1997 - U.S. economic aid to Honduras has dropped to $28 million this year from .... In Danli, Mayor Avila gives his new benefactors their due when ...
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB867794258364763500


    Obama's Billion Dollar Aid Request to Central America: How Has it ...

    Nov 17, 2015 - Last February, the Obama administration requested US$1 billion in 2016 assistance for Central America as part of next year's foreign aid budget proposal. ... the “Northern Triangle” countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. ... The White House request had sought to give this program the largest ...
    https://www.wola.org/analysis/obamas...as-it-changed/


    7 Reasons to Scrap the $1 Billion Aid Package to Central America

    Jul 8, 2015 - This summer, Congress will decide whether to support the $1 billion aid package to Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. ... last year, the “Strategy for Engagement in Central America” aims to ... fact that the aid package “only” gives about a third of the entire package to the countries' militaries.
    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...entral-america
    The point is to make it so jobs are there and they do not need to leave home to survive. Trumpy mentioned that the other day. They come here for safety from the government and drug gangs . They also come for jobs. What would you do if you were there and were terrified to live there? Might leave and go to country that has some jobs. You might change your life. They have a right to ask for asylum.

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